Sheffield couple - where are they? Please help!

[John Bucklow]

I shall sort out my documents as soon as I can.
 
I have a few birth, marriage & death certs, some WW1 soldiers' files from PRO Kew,  copies of 1901 & 1911 Census entries, transcriptions of earlier Census entries, photos of as many houses as were standing in the early 1980s, copies of street maps showing the position of individual houses, a copy of the death announcement in the Sheffield papers in 1915 with a photo of Sgt Albert George Pinder.

If Fred Bini was then service no 7076 in the Hallamshires, he is listed on the Town Hall plaque.  He is mentioned in the "Tiger & Rose" York & Lancs Journal as attending the annual Sgts' Mess dinners pre WW1 with the Pinders.  In the late 1970s I saw in the Sgts Mess at Endcliffe Hall, Sheffield group photos of pre WW1 Sgts & I think Bini & Pinders were on it.  It is still a TA Regt HQ & I shall see if I can have a look at it, but it was in a frame so probably wont copy well.  Many years ago the York & Lancs Museum in Rotherham had not fully sorted out their papers, but a copy may be there.

Just checked my inbox & have not received your message, possibly because I have not made enough entries on the site.

[mich b]

I have tried again to PM you and it says the message was sent successfully. Fingers crossed.

Michelle

[mich b]

P.S. Fred was indeed service no. 7076 One of his SA medals states:

7076 CORPL: F. BINI. VOL. Coy Y. & L. REGT
On silver “pins across the medals it says from top one : SOUTH AFRICA 1902
                                                                               SOUTH AFRICA 1901
                                                                                TRANSVAAL
                                                                                ORANGE FREE STATE
                                                                                 CAPE COLONY

[DinahW]

Hi All,
Albert Lucas Pinder would be my GG grandfather. My mother was a Pinder before her marriage. How confident are you that he was a file cutter, not a tile cutter? I can remember in the 1960s my mother pointing out an old Sheffield shop doorway which had the name in mosaic tiles and my mother saying that someone in our family had made it.
Kind regards, D

[John Bucklow]

Hi Dinah
I have ALP's death certificate & am sure he was a file cutter who died of a disease of the lung.  File cutters were a fairly common occupation during his working life, with the problem of inhaling the dust.  The tiles may have been made by Giovanni Bini, his father-in-law or perhaps Austin Bini (Michelle B may be able to help with Austin).
I shall now post on the Kenny string.
Cheers,
John Bucklow

[mich b]

Hi Dinah and John,

I also felt the Albert Lucas Pinder was a File Cutter, but only from deciphering records/censuses etc. I'm happy to discover more, or that he followed a different profession.

WRT Giovanni BINI, I have only found evidence to support him being a plaster figure manufacturer, despite terrazzo tiling etc being a common profession among the Italian artisans. As far as I am aware Austin (Giovanni's youngest son) was a marble mason, but he did take over Giovanni's Sheffield business after he died, running it down according to anecdotal evidence.

My grandmother told me my Italian 3 x great grandfather did some of the marble carving on Sheffield town hall, but dates prove this could not be the case, so its more likely to have been Austin.

Michelle

[kep54]

Hi All
Just arrived at this thread because I'm researching all the WW1 casualties in Fulwood Graveyard or Memorial (some are on both.) I've lived in Sheffield for 40+ years.
What follows is what I've found. It's mostly covered in the thread above, but worth repeating as confirmation.
Albert George Pinder  (b 1873) was baptised at St Marie's - the Roman Catholic cathedral for the RC diocese of Hallam. This because, Sophia Bini - his mother - was of Italian descent.
Albert Lucas was file cutter creating the edges on the flat of files so there was lots of dust in the environment. He died in 1876.

Sophia is in the census for 1881 - but indexed on Find My Past as 'Prider'. Correction sent to FindMyPast

Interesting that Fred Bini & AG were Territorials together. were they cousins? I'd also picked up the Boer war service

Crabtree is a district in Sheffield near the Northern General Hospital

There was a picture of AG in the  Sheffield Daily Telegraph of 20 February 1915 Page 12 of AG with a brief caption.

Does anyone know the cause of death?

SS Peter and Paul church was the Sheffield Church, but with the town's expansion, other parishes were created. It is now the CofE Cathedral

Interesting that Canning Street was associated with the family for many years.

The grave at Fulwood has a CWGC headstone, so can be viwed onthe CWCG website. If anyone wants an original JPG of the grave, please ask

Hope that helps.

[mich b]

Hi

Thank you for all the information.
John Bucklow has information about AG PINDER. Yes, he was Fred BINI's cousin. Sophia PINDER (nee BINI), was Fred's Dad's sister.

Albert George PINDER died of Pneumonia in the 3rd Northern Base Hospital, Ecclesall Rd, Sheffield. He is buried in grave 666 Christ Church (Anglican), Fulwood.

Headstone reads: 39 SERGEANT, A.G.PINDER, YORK & LANCASTER REGT., 14.2.1915.

I know that Fred BINI (my great grandfather) was Anglican and although his parents were baptised and married as RCs it appears they fell out with the church at some point.

[mich b]

One of the other PINDER brothers, William, also served alongside Fred and Albert in the Hallamshire Battalion (1/4 York and Lancasters).

John and I have photos with both Fred and William on.