Sheffield couple - where are they? Please help!

[MJP]

Death reg for:

Albert Pinder
Age 30
Dec Qtr 1876
Sheffield
9c 233

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[MJP]

Sorry if you have this stuff already.  I'm having trouble finding anything on Albert Pinder before his marriage, but here is more on the Binis:

1861
RG9/3478/37/22
151 Devonshire St, Sheffield
Geovanni Bini, Head, 57, Plaster Figure Maker, Lucea Italy
Sophia Bini, Wife, 57, Dublin Ireland
Caroline Bini, Daur, 22, Manchester Lancashire
Teresa Bini, Daur, 20, Liverpool Lancashire
Angelo George Bini, Son, 19, Pupil Teacher, Wolverhampton
Sophia Bini, Daur, 16, Sheffield
Austin Bini, Son, 10, Scholar, Sheffield

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1851
HO107/2338/526/11
48 Trafalgar St, Sheffield
John Biney, Head, 45, Plaster of Paris Figure Maker, Itlay (Br. Sub)
Sophia, Wife, 39, Ireland
Andrew, Son, 7(?), Scholar, Staffs Wolverhampton
Caroline, Daur, 12, Scholar, Manchester Lancashire
Teresa, Daur, 10, Liverpool Lancashire
Sophia, Daur, 6, Yorks Sheffield
Austin, Son, 4 months, Yorks Sheffield

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1841
HO107/557/7/33/18
North side of Orel(?) Street, Liverpool, Lancashire
John Benney, 40, Figure m, F (=Foreign Parts)
Sophia, 30, I (=Ireland)
Caroline, 2, Yes
Theresa, 6 wks, Yes
Thomas Jones, 65, Smith, No

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[mich b]

Hi sorry to take a while coming back to you, I had to take a phone call.

Wow MJP and Tati,

You've found so much.

I did have quite a lot of info on the BINI's (My maiden name) including all the misspellings, but it took me months (years) to find all that you've just come up with on them and I've only just found my family under BINN in 1871.

I had absolutely nothing on the PINDER's until the marriage cert arrived this a.m. I knew William BINI was Sophia's illegitimate son as his birth cert came on Monday.

I could find nothing for PINDER on 1881 census (that's all I have free access to) and I found nothing anywhere else. You're amazing to come up with all that so quickly.

I wonder how poor Albert died just four years after their marriage? I guess I'll have to apply for a death cert to get the answer.

What does  Rearea soilari mean MJP?

Why would someone change their name to Mary, any ideas?

Thanks again soooo much.

Michelle 

[mich b]

Isn't it odd that the newly married PINDER's moved in to Sophia's address and not into his address?

On the marriage cert it says she lives at No.5 and Albert lives at No.6 . I thought it said 45 and 46, but with your input i realise it was the abbreviated form of "number". The certificate is quite faint and difficult to read in parts. 

So many answers, still more questions.

Michelle 

[MJP]

What does Rearea soilari mean MJP?

I have no idea Michelle!    That's just what it LOOKS like it says for that guy's occupation.  It's probably something else really obvious, but I just couldn't make the squiggles into anything else. 

I've been doing some more searching for Albert, but without knowing either of his parents names or his birthplace, it is pretty difficult. There is an Albert Pinder of about the right age born in Ecclesfield Bierlow, but he is a soldier in 1871, so that would probably not be him. 

The name Mary could have come from anywhere, for example a) it could be a complete mistake by the enumerator b) perhaps her full name is Sophia Maria and that ended up as Mary somehow.  I don't think its a case of her "changing" her name - just one of those wierd census flukes. 

It would be good to get the death certificate for Albert, although I don't think it will contain any information about his parents or birthplace.  But you never know? 

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[mich b]

I think I'll have to get Albert's Death Cert, just to satisfy my curiosity, but there's Caroline BINI's Death cert. in line before his. You may have noticed that it says Caroline was "lame not since birth" on the 1871 census, I only discovered this the other week and I already knew Caroline died aged 35 in 1873. I'm dying to know (no pun intended) whether her lameness contributed to her death.

Genealogy is like an addictive story that is both frustrating and rewarding. The worse frustration being, when you know you'll never find the answers.

One of my biggest wishes is to find a shared history with someone. The BINI's on our line will end with my brother, unless he produces a son.

I wonder what happened to William (do you think he took the name PINDER as in 1881)?

Is it possible to look for Albert PINDER's address prior to his marriage (i.e. No. 6 Canning Street)?

The plot, as they say, thickens.

Thanks for your continued help and interest (I'm learning a lot)

Michelle 

[MJP]

Hi Michelle,

I have checked No 6 Canning in 1871, and there is no one named Pinder there. 

It looks like William stayed with the name Pinder (he would have been only 3 or 4 when his mother married, so probably never knew himself as Bini.)  No official proof of name was required in those days, so he could call himself whatever he wanted.

1891
RG12/3793/102/4
20 Vestay Street, Nether Hallam, Yorkshire
William Pinder, Head, 23, General Silversmith, Sheffield
Mary Ann Pinder, Wife, 22, Yorks Masbro
Elsie Pinder, Daur, 2 mos, Sheffield

Possible marriage:

William Pinder
Sep Qtr 1890
Sheffield
9c 571

On the same page: Mary Ann Savage

Birth:
Elsie Pinder
Mar Qtr 1891
Ecclesall Bierlow
9c 423

1901

85 Eldon St, Ecclesall
William Pinder, Head, 33, Silversmith Opeur(?) al(?), Sheffield Yorks
Mary A Pinder, Wife, 32, House duties, Masbro Yorks
Elsie, Daur, 10, Sheffield
Persy, Son, 8, "
Amy, Daur, 6, "
Marie (or Maisie?), Daur, 4, "

Mary Ann's birthplace is likely Masbrough, a part of Rotherham, very close to Sheffield: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Rotherham/index.html

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