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Re: SIEDLE Family in Swansea
« Reply #9 on: Monday 09 April 07 18:19 BST (UK) »
Hi,

You don't say in your profile where you are living, but if you are away from Swansea and find anything relevant in the Cambrian index I would be happy to go to the library and do the look-ups for you, if you post the details on here.

Bev.
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Re: SIEDLE Family in Swansea
« Reply #10 on: Monday 09 April 07 18:42 BST (UK) »
can give you Matilda's marriage ref now
june qtr 1891 Swansea vol 11a pg 1282
I didn't allow for her being Mathilda
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She's also in Walter Road in 1901 Rg13/5076 folio 98 pg 4 with her husband John Edward Thomas(pharmacist) and son John E T Thomas age 7. Don't envy you trying to trace them!
Cornwall: Allen, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Tebb


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Re: SIEDLE Family in Swansea
« Reply #11 on: Monday 09 April 07 23:13 BST (UK) »
Fisherman. Many thanks for the Cambrian advice. I have gleaned bits & pieces
Bevbee. I am up in the Smoke. For many years I worked one day a fortnight in the Swansea area but hadn't the time to do genealogy. Now I am retired I never go to Swansea so I might  sometime be very glad of your offer. Many thanks for making it.
Osprey. Edward Siedle married the half sister of my great grandfather so you will appreciate that a Siedle investigation was a bit of a diversion. I am not about to tackle a Thomas branch so you need have no fears for my sanity.

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Re: SIEDLE Family in Swansea
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 20 December 12 19:39 GMT (UK) »
I don't know whether anyone's still searching for the SIEDLE family in Swansea, but having seen a Siedle Bros photograph (CdV) for sale on ebay earlier this evening, I tried to discover more about Siedle Bros, and noted two items in particular which may be of interest.

The first item related to an entry in THE EDINBURGH GAZETTE, JULY 4, 1911 (q.v. http://www.edinburgh-gazette.co.uk/issues/12369/pages/669/page.pdf) in which mention is made of "Charles Frederick Siedle (trading under the style of Siedle Bros.), 60 Walter Road, Swansea, and 13 Heathfield Street, Swansea, in the county of Glamorgan, photographer", whilst the other item is an excerpt from  "Minerva  - Vol. 14 2006, The history and influence of Swansea's Jewish community, 1730-2006 : the Treasure Act and Portable Antiquities Legislation" (see http://welshjournals.llgc.org.uk/browse/viewpage/llgc-id:1225327/llgc-id:1226301/llgc-id:1226334/getText) in which mention is made of photographers (Siedle Bros.), in the context of "It is interesting at this time to study the occupations of Swansea's Jewish community" and "For example, in Wright's Swansea and Llanelly Directory of 1889-90, the occupations included H. Goldberg and Co. ship and insurance brokers. To have risen to these heights in trade was the exception rather than the rule in Swansea society in general, let alone among a group which had so recently arrived in Britain. The majority of Jews, however, continued the more traditional trades such as cabinet makers (William Michael), clothes dealers (Nathan Lewis), clothiers and outfitters (Abram Freedman), furniture brokers (Israel Bloom), painters (Max Mendelssohn), glaziers and decorators (Barnett Freedman), picture dealers (B. Shatz), photographers (Siedle Bros.), watch and clockmakers and jewellers (Wearbart Kaltenbach)"

That therefore Charles Frederick Siedle was a member of Swansea' Jewish community, may allow the original enquirer to gain more information from that quarter, as well as to identify both where the Siedles' originated before settling in Swansea, and whether there may have been a change (spelling-wise) of surname in the post-1920 period.

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Re: SIEDLE Family in Swansea
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 16 January 13 15:30 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Calgari for your contribution. By chance I have a Siedle trade photo of my wife's family.
Best wishes, Toby Webb.

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Re: SIEDLE Family in Swansea
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 17 January 13 00:09 GMT (UK) »
In a 1913 Swansea Directory Mr E.H. Siedle is listed as Chairman of the Poor Law Guardians.

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Re: SIEDLE Family in Swansea
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 17 January 13 10:51 GMT (UK) »
Bernard,
Thank you for that extra bit of information. It all helps to paint the picture. I shall look at your web site for a bit more.
Regards, Toby.

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Re: SIEDLE Family in Swansea
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 17 January 13 22:51 GMT (UK) »
Toby - there is nothing on my website on the Siedle's (as far as I know!) I noticed it in a directory that I was looking at for some pre-WWI stuff.

I think I am right in saying that at that time the Guardians of the Poor were elected (though it was a role that was a little unattractive to some as it involved dealing with 'paupers', the workhouse etc. In the 1830s/40s etc. the people elected tended to be the better off in the community. Less so in the late 19th century and beyond.

Having said that the chairman would usually (I think) be elected by his fellow guardians so was a bit of a primus inter pares.

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Re: SIEDLE Family in Swansea
« Reply #17 on: Friday 18 January 13 10:51 GMT (UK) »
I am sure you are right about better off as the Siedle family were also into pawnbroking.
Toby.