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Re: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 08 July 07 15:03 BST (UK) »
Hello Sue
I hope you wouldn't mind helping me again with the Ward name.  I am now looking for John Ward born c1800 in Surrey, Thomas Ward born c1802 in Southwark, William Ward b c 1800 in Bermondsey/Southwark and James born c 1811 in Southwark.
I have found quite a few Ward's of different ages who were Watermen/Lightermen living on both sides of the Thames.  Do you think that they may be from the same family group as I understand that this profession was kept in the family.
Also do you know what a Fellowship Porter was or did?.
Many Thanks
Val

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Re: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?
« Reply #19 on: Monday 09 July 07 12:34 BST (UK) »
Hi Val

I have listed all the ones from anywhere from 1811 to 1859

Jno Ward bound 08/08/1811 at Christchurch to Thomas Tayler completed 16/10/1823
John Ward bound 23/11/1815 at Deptford to Thomas Stamford Jones completed 29/05/1823
John Buckley Ward bound 01/07/1819 at Bankside to Joseph Wilcocks completed 20/07/1826
John Charles Ward bound 26/11/1812 at Custom House to John Bryan Ward not completed 00/00/0000
John Ward bound 10/11/1825 at Gravesend to John Craft Crafter DROWNED
John Ward bound 13/01/1859 at Tower Hill to George Ward completed 10/04/1866
John Ward bound 14/10/1847 at Woolwich to William Clark MASTER DEAD
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Thomas Buckley Ward Jnr bound 23/11/1815 at Bankside to Thomas Buckley Ward Snr completed 09/01/1823
Thomas Ward Jnr bound 10/11/1831 at Lambeth to Thomas Ward Snr completed 13/12/1838

William Ward bound 13/11/1845 at Billingate to Thomas Ward completed 12/04/1855

James Ward bound 31/05/1821 at Horslydown to James Wetton Ward completed 12/06/1828
James Ward bound 10/06/1858 at Bermondsey to George Baldock completed 11/07/1865
James Ward bound 12/01/1843 at Greenwich to Thomas Paul Parkinson DROWNED

I notice the name Buckley pops up alot so I have add the one below which has been reassigned.
John Buckley Ward Bound 1/7/1819 Reassigned 4/4/1823  to Thomas Buckley Ward.

As for Fellowship Porter I have found a website which might tell you. http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/index.html

Hope this helps.
Sue
Haver. Rogers, Perry, Babington, Eames, Sewell and Dean - Southwark/Lambeth and surrounding areas
Challis and Jarvis Battersea/Clapham
Elsey, Crown and Buck - Norfolk
Dean - Westminster
Dunkerton - West Pennard, Somerset

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Re: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?
« Reply #20 on: Monday 09 July 07 18:19 BST (UK) »
Hello Sue
Thankyou very much for the lookups and website.   Again they are extremely helpful in breaking through my brickwall.   Without your help the job would have been much harder.
Best Wishes
Val

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Re: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?
« Reply #21 on: Monday 09 July 07 23:00 BST (UK) »
May I join the queue?

If time permits, I would be interested in William (George) Ives born 20 June 1878 Rotherhithe. Also wondering if there is a Bertram V Ives born 1912.

Thank you for your time,
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Re: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 10 July 07 17:01 BST (UK) »
Hi g a r

I think this is your William.

William Ives bound 10/5/1898 at Newington to Thomas George Arle  completed 12/5/1903

He was also listed in "Binding dates and affidavit birth proofs 1898-1949"
William Ives bound 10/5/1898 - born 20/6/1878 Rotherhithe

There are no Bertram V Ives listed.

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Haver. Rogers, Perry, Babington, Eames, Sewell and Dean - Southwark/Lambeth and surrounding areas
Challis and Jarvis Battersea/Clapham
Elsey, Crown and Buck - Norfolk
Dean - Westminster
Dunkerton - West Pennard, Somerset

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Re: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 10 July 07 20:14 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much Sue!

Shame about Bertram (he was William's son).

I don't suppose there are any Ives that show up after 1918. I'm hoping that perhaps one of William's sons may have followed in his father's footsteps.

cheers,
g a r

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Re: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 11 July 07 19:10 BST (UK) »
Hi g a r

There is no more Ives after William so it looks like they did not fellow their father's footsteps.

Sue
Haver. Rogers, Perry, Babington, Eames, Sewell and Dean - Southwark/Lambeth and surrounding areas
Challis and Jarvis Battersea/Clapham
Elsey, Crown and Buck - Norfolk
Dean - Westminster
Dunkerton - West Pennard, Somerset

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Re: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 11 July 07 19:45 BST (UK) »
Hello Suzy,  Could I also ask for a look-up please?  I do not have very much information on the following individuals though.

i.    John BAGGOTT a lighterman who was described on a wedding cert in 1870 as "deceased formally a lighterman".  I would imagine that he probably lived around the Chelsea, Battersea or, possibly Marylebone areas.

ii.   John CHEESELEY c1809, a lighterman.

iii.  Any names concerning CHEESLEY/CHEESELEY who were watermen.  Probably Harefield, Marylebone, Chelsea, Battersea areas.

Many thanks.  Rosie

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Re: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please?
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 11 July 07 23:22 BST (UK) »
Thank you very kindly Sue. Appreciate you taking time to look.

cheers,
g a r