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Offline DJH

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A change of SEX!
« on: Friday 18 May 07 16:36 BST (UK) »
My GGrandmother, Eliza Hartshorn, was born in 1865 at Hookagate, Brace Meole. Her father was William, a coal miner and her mother was Sarah Ann (formerly Jones).
In the 1871 Census, William is living with Sarah Ann at Brace Meole with ELIJAH, their SON born at Hookagate and aged 5 years!
In the 1881 Census, ELIJAH is now 15 and a Farm labourer!
What happened to ELIZA?
Help needed urgently please.
David :-[

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #1 on: Friday 18 May 07 16:50 BST (UK) »
My guess would be that the census enumerators mis-heard and put down Eliza as Elijah. But twice...?  :-\

Could there have been twins?

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Brock: Alburgh, Norfolk, and after 1850, London; Tooley: Norfolk
Grimmer: Norfolk; Grimson: Norfolk
Harrison: London; Pollock
Dixon: Hampshire; Collins: Middx
Jeary: Norfolk; Davison: Norfolk
Rogers: London; Bartlett: London
Drew: Kent; Alden: Hants
Gamble: Yorkshire; Huntingford: East London

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #2 on: Friday 18 May 07 16:58 BST (UK) »
Thank you Meles,
That is what I wondered. However, I am a twin and I know today that the actual time of birth is put on twins birth certificates. Perhaps this didn't happen in 1865.
I am totally at a loss as to where to look next.
David

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #3 on: Friday 18 May 07 17:00 BST (UK) »
Is it possible that a girl could have be brought up as a boy until about 15 years old?

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #4 on: Friday 18 May 07 17:01 BST (UK) »
I've looked up FreeBMD and there is no Eliza or Elijah there....

Have you got a birth certificate?

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Brock: Alburgh, Norfolk, and after 1850, London; Tooley: Norfolk
Grimmer: Norfolk; Grimson: Norfolk
Harrison: London; Pollock
Dixon: Hampshire; Collins: Middx
Jeary: Norfolk; Davison: Norfolk
Rogers: London; Bartlett: London
Drew: Kent; Alden: Hants
Gamble: Yorkshire; Huntingford: East London

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #5 on: Friday 18 May 07 17:02 BST (UK) »

i have a Colin in my tree on one census he is Colin and on another he is Coleen but luckily he is still down as son

maybe the parents put Eliza down as a boy to help out on the farm or soemthing, or maybe Eliza was elsewhere on the night of the census
Holman & Vinton- Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj & Hussak- Bukowiec & Zahutyn, Bentley & Richards- Leicester, Taylor-Kent/Sussex  Punnett-Sussex,  Bear/e- Monkleigh Gazey-Warwicks

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #6 on: Friday 18 May 07 17:06 BST (UK) »
I do have Eliza's birth certificate. Would it be possible to fool the Registrar. Do you have to have the baby with you when it is registered?
David

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 18 May 07 17:07 BST (UK) »
No, but whilst the enumerator might have been in a bit of a hurry, the Registrar would have got the right details. I hope!

meles
Brock: Alburgh, Norfolk, and after 1850, London; Tooley: Norfolk
Grimmer: Norfolk; Grimson: Norfolk
Harrison: London; Pollock
Dixon: Hampshire; Collins: Middx
Jeary: Norfolk; Davison: Norfolk
Rogers: London; Bartlett: London
Drew: Kent; Alden: Hants
Gamble: Yorkshire; Huntingford: East London

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #8 on: Friday 18 May 07 17:08 BST (UK) »
Thanks Toni*,
"elsewhere"? Do you mean staying somewhere else or do you mean not being included on the Census?
David