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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #18 on: Friday 18 May 07 17:36 BST (UK) »
The ancestry page I found had Elizah, rather than Elijah and the only other child I could find at the same address (by comparing file numbers) was a Harry born about 1869.

but I don't have full access so perhaps someone else could read the page.
McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, O'Brien, Cuthbert, Keegan, Quirk(e), O'Malley, McGuirk (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #19 on: Friday 18 May 07 17:44 BST (UK) »
I think it says Elijah, not Elizah, looking at the other Elizabeths on the page and the way the enumerator writes his "Z"s.

The only other person with family is grandmother Elizabeth 74
Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex
Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire
Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire
Shaw, Marland - Lancashire
Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland
Richards - Neath Swansea
Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs
Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire
Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire
Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs
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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #20 on: Friday 18 May 07 18:09 BST (UK) »
I think you are right. It definitely says SON though. So where is Eliza who was certainly born?

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #21 on: Friday 18 May 07 18:10 BST (UK) »
I think the 'j' is dotted.

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #22 on: Friday 18 May 07 18:16 BST (UK) »



  Hi....

 Taking this from another angle...she was your grt grandmother so when did she marry and where and to who ?
 If we can account for her on nearest census and work back there maybe a clue.
 Do you have the marriage cert of great grand parents?

                         Tazzie
Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #23 on: Friday 18 May 07 18:22 BST (UK) »
I do know quite a bit about GGrandma Eliza including when and where she gave birth to my Grandfather and also where, and to whom, she married and where she died and when. I just cannot find her and it is in hope of someone saying that they had an Eliza in their family who probably disappeared or took another name that I might be able to pin her down. I have her parents names on her birth certificate.

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #24 on: Friday 18 May 07 18:32 BST (UK) »
She seems to be still with her parents, aged 35, in 1901 at Meole Brace, but that's a bit odd too as Ancestry have indexed her as Eliza, possibly Hartshorn Hartshorn and National Archives have her as Elizabeth Hartshorn, occupation cowman - do you think this is what confused the enumerators if they kept telling them that she is the cowman?!
McDonough, Oliver, McLoughlin, O'Brien, Cuthbert, Keegan, Quirk(e), O'Malley, McGuirk (Ireland)
Dudley, Winchurch, Wolverson, Brookes (Black Country)
Concannon, Moore, Markowski (Markesky), Mottram, Lawton (Black Country)

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #25 on: Friday 18 May 07 18:35 BST (UK) »
   Ok....so who did she marry...working backwards may help pin point the area and we can then double check the birth that you have as the right one.
 If you have marriage cert it would confirm father.

 I only found my grt grandfather when I found a newspaper detailing the inquest to his death in 1910.

 He was Albert Green birth cert said father John Green.
 However John Green had died ..his mother remarried a Millard and on all census he was indexed as Albert Millard. It took four years to find him!

    Just a thought but it may help the searchers.

                    Tazzie
Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #26 on: Friday 18 May 07 18:35 BST (UK) »
It is a possibility she was a cowperson, and assumptions were made...

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Brock: Alburgh, Norfolk, and after 1850, London; Tooley: Norfolk
Grimmer: Norfolk; Grimson: Norfolk
Harrison: London; Pollock
Dixon: Hampshire; Collins: Middx
Jeary: Norfolk; Davison: Norfolk
Rogers: London; Bartlett: London
Drew: Kent; Alden: Hants
Gamble: Yorkshire; Huntingford: East London

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