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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #9 on: Friday 18 May 07 17:09 BST (UK) »
Apologies if this is a daft question, but are you sure it's the right family?  When did your Eliza marry, because Elijah is still unmarried and living with his parents in 1901....

RG13; Piece: 2541; Folio: 36; Page: 5
Hookagate, Atcham

William Hartshorn - Head - 62 - Coal Miner - Birmingham
Sarah Ann Hartshorn - Wife - 55 - Pontesbury
Elijah Hartshorn - Son - 35 - Cow [...] - Hookagate
William Hartshorn - Son - 26 - Coal Miner - Hookagate
Rachel Hartshorn - Dau - 15 - Hookagate

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #10 on: Friday 18 May 07 17:11 BST (UK) »
1841 census Meole brace, Shrewsbury, place Hook a gate,

Elijah     Hartshorn         miner     45         y
Elizabeth      "                              40          y
Emma           "                              10          y
Hanna           "                              2            y
Jane             "                              14          y
John             "                              12           y
Rebecca       "                               8            y
WILLIAM      "                                1           y


ho107 , piece 910. folio 33, page 6.

Dont know If you got this already?

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #11 on: Friday 18 May 07 17:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks Rambler.
That makes it more complicated.
Could there be another William AND Sarah Ann? How would I find them?
You see, Eliza doesn't seem to feature in the Census of 1871 when she would have been 6 years nor in the 1881 Census.
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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #12 on: Friday 18 May 07 17:14 BST (UK) »
Thanks pete,
I have seen this but as you will see I could be looking at the wrong William! I can't find another though.
Here's a question:
If someone else gave birth to Eliza, would this William and Sarah Ann get away with registering her as their baby but not keeping it with them?
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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #13 on: Friday 18 May 07 17:19 BST (UK) »
I meant somewhere else on the night of the census working somewhere or maybe she was travelling abroad.

it was usual for people to name the children after themselves or their parents so Elijah after Williams father and Eliza after his mother.

if someone else gave birth to the child then her parents name would be different on the birth certificate which i take it are not as you have the birth certificate.

have you only looked on Freebmd? as this is not complete Ancestry have the full list but ti is very time consuming trawling through all the pages.




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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #14 on: Friday 18 May 07 17:23 BST (UK) »
As you have the names of Eliza's parents from her birth cert, I would suggest getting their marriage cert to check William's age, and help locate him on census:

Marriages Dec 1864
HARTSHORN    William       
JONES    Sarah Anne
Atcham 6a 1304   

It's possible William died young, and Sarah re-married, on which case Eliza might be listed under her step-father's name.

I'll have another look at censuses....

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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #15 on: Friday 18 May 07 17:28 BST (UK) »
FREEBMD have an Eliza Hartshorn registered in the last q of 1865 at Shrewsbury, 6a, 628 (isn't Meole Brace very near Shrewsbury?)

Ancestry have an Elizah b abt 1866 with a William and Sarah A on the 1871, somewhere in Shropshire (sorry I don't have access to see the page).
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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #16 on: Friday 18 May 07 17:29 BST (UK) »
Thanks Toni*,
FreeBMD - does it have a website? I will try to find it.
I was rather thinking that William and Sarah Ann put their names on the birth cert. as the real parents were not able to; not married, to young etc.,?

Rambler,
I could try to get a marriage cert. for their ages. Thanks.
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Re: A change of SEX!
« Reply #17 on: Friday 18 May 07 17:33 BST (UK) »
Thanks Dudley,
I think that is my Eliza as the heading on the birth cert. is St Chad Shrewsbury in the registration district of Shrewsbury.
The Elijah Census result for 1871 I have and he is a SON which is the problem.
David