Looking for Parents of Jane Griffiths, from Pembrey

[English Daisy]

I would like very much to know Jane Griffiths mother's name. Her father's name was John Griffiths. I would appreciate receiving any BMD or parish information available on Jane's parents and siblings.
 
Jane Griffiths was born on July 21, 1843 in Pembrey, Carmarthenshire. She  married a  Robert Samuel Preston, born 1849, from Liscard, Cheshire. They were married at St. Nicholas, Liverpool, on Oct. 1869.

All of Jane Preston's (nee Griffiths)  five children were born in Achddu Ishaf, Pembrey and registered in Llanelly.  1881 England Census list childrens' names. They were:

Alfred Samuel Preston 1870
Jane Preston 1872
John Preston 1874
Sarah Preston 1877
William Preston 1878

We know very little about our Welsh heritage so we are really hoping
someone can help us!

Regards

English Daisy

[osprey]

Do you have an occupation for John from the marriage cert? I can see a family that fits and the father John is a blacksmith? But, there is another Jane who is a niece to the family she's living with in 1851.

[osprey]

I'll give the details in case

1851 Royal Oak, Llangennech HO107/2468 folio 60 pg 6
John Griffiths head widower 57 blacksmith
Johanna dau 25 dressmaker
Elizabeth dau 19 dressmaker
Margaret dau 17 dressmaker
Ann dau 16
David son 13
Jane dau 9
Mary dau 7
all born Pembrey

1841 Butchers' Arms, Pembrey HO107/1379/12 folio 12 pg 10
John Griffith 41 smith
Jane 38
John 14
Elizabeth 10
Margaret 7
Ann 6
David 3
all born in county

Bit of a thing for pubs?   

[English Daisy]

Hello Osprey

Thank you very much for such a quick reply.

Re Your: #1 Message

On Jane Griffiths and Robert Samuel Preston's Oct. 11, 1869 Marriage Certificate it records John Griffiths occupation as a FIREMAN.  He must have still been living at that time, as it does not record DECEASED, under his name.

They were married in St. Nicholas Church, Parish of Liverpool, Lanc.

Hoping this information is of help to you.  There are so many Griffiths!

English Daisy

[English Daisy]

Hello Osprey

I have been told by an older cousin of mine that the Griffiths children used to wait at the waterfront, watching for their uncles to come home from the sea.

This is word of mouth information!  Not sure how reliable it is. 

Were "fireman" in those days, stoking furnaces on shore, as well as on steamships?   I am not too familiar with job descriptions during mid-1800's!!!

Thanks for your help

Best regards

English Daisy
 

[osprey]

Just because it doesn't say deceased, doesn't mean he was alive - cleric performing marriage might not have asked.
Doesn't look to be the right census entries. The niece could be the right girl, but she doesn't appear with her parents in 51 or 61.
 
There were certainly ships leaving for Liverpool and other ports. Have a look at the directory on this link for conveyances by water

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Pembrey/index.html

Sorry, I don't have time to search further tonight as I need to be up early for work.  I'll look again tomorrow if no-one has taken up the challenge in the mean time.
 

[English Daisy]

Hello Osprey

Could you please tell me which Jane in your 1851 and 1841 Census families is the "niece"?

I saw a Jane in 1851 who is  "9 dau"  and the other  in 1841 who is the "mother/wife"?

Thank you for the link.  I will take a look at it!

Best regards

English Daisy

[English Daisy]

Hello Osprey

Forgive me for emailing you again.  I have read all my Census records and notes once again on the Griffiths family.

In England, Census 1901 and 1891, the birthplace for Jane Preston (nee Griffiths), born 1843, is LLANELLY, Carmarthenshire. 

In the 1891 and 1901 England Census, the birthplace for her five children is listed as BURYPORT.  Having their daughter's, Jane Preston (born 1872) birth certificate, I can say for sure that this 1872 Jane's place of birth is ACHDDU ISHAF, Pembrey.

She is second born, and so it is very likely that her brother Alfred Samuel, born 1870 was also born in Achddu.  I cannot say for sure where the remaining three children were born -  either Achddu or Buryport??? 

Because Achddu, Pembrey, Llanelly and Buryport are very close to one another, it is possible that we may find them in anyone of these four towns! 

So,  thank you, Osprey, and anyone else who may be interested in helping me!

Best Wishes
English Daisy

[osprey]

I'm not having a lot of luck with Jane. I've found Achddu Ishaf in 1881 as that's the easiest year to search for an address. It seems to be a house in Pembrey enumeration district 7 with has the Achddu river as its boundary, but the family aren't called Griffiths, head is David Richards married to Mary with step children with the surname Roberts. Haven't found the house in 1871 yet, but there are at least 60 pages in that Pembrey district. Burry Port comes under Pembrey so should appear on any search for Griffiths in Pembrey.
The only Jane b. 1843ish with father John in the Llanelli area is the one I've already given you. The occupation of fireman could refer to working in one of the many furnaces in local copper or tinworks.

Jane enumerated as niece is this one
1851 Mason's Arms, Thomas St, Llanelly HO107/2468 folio 289 pg 8
Joyce Griffiths head widow 54 victualler
Anne Lawrence niece 26 house servant
Margaret  Griffiths niece 17 house servant
Mary niece 14 scholar
Jane niece 9 scholar
Benjamin nephew 6 scholar
all born Pembrey

I can find Anne lawrence living with Joyce & Thomas Griffiths in 1841, but can't spot a Griffiths family with a Mary and Margaret of those ages. They could both be nieces and not sisters, in which case, I've little chance of identifying them. However, there's only one Benjamin on FreeBmd at that time
Benjamin Griffiths june qtr 1845 Llanelly vol 26 pg 615

If you're sure about Jane's date of birth, you could apply directly to Llanelli registrar
2 Coleshill Tce
Llanelli
Carmarthenshire
SA15 3DB
tel 01554 744202
fax 01554 749424