Looking for Parents of Jane Griffiths, from Pembrey

[osprey]

Temperance movement was strong in Wales and went hand-in hand with non-conformism. I'm sure I remember Carmarthenshire being 'dry' on sundays, but just across the river in Glamorgan wasn't. 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/wales/north_west/3086557.stm

School records are with the county archives in Carmarthen
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/CarmRO.html

I'll have a quick look for Gladys, might need to be tomorrow for a proper search

[osprey]

http://www.carmarthenshire.gov.uk/index.asp?locID=3716&docID=-1

this might be a more up-to-date link for Carmarthenshire Archives - hourly rate is more anyway.


found Gladys and family in 1891
Cowell St, Llanelli RG12/4495 folio 13 pg 19
Elizabeth Griffiths head widow 49 confectioner
Caroline J dau 23
mary J dau 22
Thomas D son 17 school teacher
Gladys dau 14 school teacher    (!)
all born Llanelli

can't spot them in 1901 as yet. No obvious marriage for Caroline or Gladys. Will look tomorrow.

[English Daisy]

Hi Osprey

Great information on Gladys!  I look forward to hearing if you
can find anything in the 1901 Census!

Will stay tuned!

Thanks

English Daisy

[osprey]

1901 37 Barras Lane, Coventry, Warwickshire RG13/2908 folio 89 pg 25
Thomas D Griffiths head unm 26 architect
Caroline sister 29 living on own means
Mary J sister 28 living on own means
Gladys 23 sister school teacher
all born Llanelly, Carmarthenshire

1871 Bridge St, Llanelly RG10/5466 folio 94 pg 31
Thomas Griffiths head mar 31 confectioner
Elizabeth wife 29
Caroline J dau 3
Mary J dau 2
Frank son 6 months
David father widower 78(?) builder
Anne Davies 17 domestic servant
Henry Thomas 14 baker apprentice
all born Llanelly

1861 Church St, Llanelly RG9/4113 folio 4 pg 1
Thomas Griffiths head mar 21 confectioner
Elizabeth wife 19
Sarah cousin 23 general servant
all born Llanelly

possible death registrations
Thomas Griffiths aged 44 june qtr 1884 Llanelly vol 11a pg 454
Elizabeth Griffiths aged 52 march qtr 1894 Llanelly vol 11a pg 593

can't see Thomas in 1851 or 1841. No David with son Thomas seem to match - farmer, coal cutter, pottery mason but not builder.

[English Daisy]

Hi Osprey

Thank you so much!

I got no where with my great and great, great grandparents in Minera, Denbighshire, but great progress is being made, with my South Wales equivalent!  There were just no records in Denbigh!

Your research skills are very good!  If your time is limited Osprey, please do not feel obligated to continue with my next inquiry.   I am sure there are others who need your help!

It is important to find the link which connects John and Jane Griffiths to Thomas and Elizabeth Griffiths!  All I have is the word "cousin" in my mother's address book.  Not sure how far the records go back in Llanelli?

I came across in the 1881 Census, Elizabeth Jenkins, widow (Head) age 48
Occupation  Publican House  -  Royal Oak
This is John Griffiths daughter born in 1832!!!!  It looks like the Griffiths own this pub!

Thank you again

English Daisy

[osprey]

The reason I was looking for previous census entries was to find out if these families are related. But came to a halt when I couldn't find Thomas in 1841 or 1851. If they are related, it can't be very closely, as David, not John, is the father of Thomas.
There is the cousin Sarah with them in 1861 but no way of knowing which bit of the family she belongs to - not the one in the Butcher's Arms anyway. 
 
Don't know what you mean about how far the records go back in Llanelli. The census is the same for mainland UK - back to 1841. If you want parish records, you would need to get them from the record office in Carmarthen for a fee. With the prevalence of non-conformity in Wales, parish records can be a problem. Marriages before civil registration had to be in the established church, but baptisms didn't.

[osprey]

Working back from Elizabeth in 1881

1861 can't read street address Llanelli RG9/4110 folio 108 pg 22
Jenkin Jenkins head mar 32 hammerman in tin works b. Glamorgan, Margam
Elizabeth wife 28 b. Pembrey
Catherine J dau 7 scholar b. Llanelly
David Morris boarder 26 tinman b. Glam, Aberavon

1871 Nevills Row, Llanelli RG10/5464 folio 133 pg 16
Jenkin Jenkins head mar 43 hammerman b. Margam, Taibach
Elizabeth wife 38 b. Burry Port, Pembrey (that what it says on the census, the transcriber has made it into a non-existent place in Ireland!)

marriage
Elizabeth Griffiths and Jenkin Jenkins june qtr 1854 Llanelly vol 11a pg 751

this looks like Catherine in 1881
6 Church St Draper's Shop RG10/5466 folio 100 pg 1
Thomas Anthony head mar 38 draper b. Kidwelly
Mary wife 27 b. Llanelly
Elizabeth Jane dau 3 b. Llanelly
Catherine Jane Jenkins niece 18 dressmaker b. Llanelly
Elizabeth Morgan niece 18 dressmaker b. Llanelly
Evan Rees boarder 21 draper's assistant b. Kidwelly
Thomas Gravel boarder 19 draper's assistant b. Llangendeirne
Jane Thomas 21 domestic servant b. Kidwelly

It would be nice to think that the Mary here is another daughter of John Griffiths, but I can't see a possible marriage and I suspect she may be a Jenkins. To be sure, you could order the birth certificate for their daughter
Elizabeth Jane Anthony dec qtr 1867 Llanelly vol 11a pg 629

Catherine marries sept qtr 1881 Llanelly vol 11a pg 937 to either Thomas Charles or John Davies, most likely the latter as in 1891
Royal Oak Inn, Bryn, Llanelly RG12/4492 folio 27 pg 48
John Davies head mar 39 publican b. Bryn
Catherine J wife 36 b. Llangennech
David J son 2 months b. Bryn

The unmarried sister Ann has been very useful in tying the sisters together
1861 Pottery Place, Llanelly RG9/4112 folio 39 pg 24
John Griffiths head mar widower 61 shipping agent b. Pembrey
Joanna dau 33 dressmaker b. Pembrey
Ann dau 25 dressmaker b. Pembrey
Mary dau milliner b. Llanelly

1871 3 Pottery Place, Llanelly RG10/5467 folio 109 pg 11
John Griffiths head widower 71
Ann dau 32 dressmaker
Margaret Bevan dau 34 sailor's wife
all born Pembrey

Marriage - Margaret Griffiths march qtr 1871 Llanelly vol 11a pg 715 with John Bevan on the same page. In 1881, they're on RG11/5374 folio 156 pg 16 with 2 daughters Elizabeth J b. 1873 and Margaret A b. 1875

1891 1 Mina St, Llanelly RG12/4494 folio 140 pg 20
Joanna Edwards head widow 65 living on own means
Ann Griffiths visitor 53 dressmaker
both born Pembrey

1881 Mermaid Inn, Biddulph St RG11/5373 folio 69 pg 13
John Edwards head 63 publican b. Glam, Aberavon
Joanna wife 55 b. Pembrey
Mary Jones 17 domestic servant b. Llanelly

1871 Mermaid Inn 1 Biddulph St RG10/5466 folio 31 pg 8
John Edwards head mar 54 hammerman tin works b. Swansea
Johanna wife 44 b. Llanelly
Eliza James 17 domestic servant b. Pembroke

marriage Joanna Griffiths march qtr 1863 Llanelly vol 11a pg 627 with John Edwards on the same page

1901 16 Lloyd St, Llanelly RG13/5088 folio 125 pg 25
Anne Griffiths head single 60 b. Pembrey
Jennie Bevan niece 26 dressmaker b. Llanelly

still can't see any link to the other Griffiths family.

[English Daisy]

Hi Osprey

You have been busy researching!  Unfortunately, I have to go out  now.

When I get back, I will have more time to study the great information you sent me!

Links often are so very difficult to find.  I found this the case with the English
side of my family.  I traced my family there back to 1750, using parish films.

I wish I could order films from Carmarthenshire.  Even if I could, this
may not help me,  if my Griffiths family is associated with the
non-conformist movement in Wales. 

I found another Jane Griffiths, in the 1851 Census, also born in 1842,
Pembrey, living with her Aunt Joice Griffiths.

I was told that only our Jane, that we are presently researching,
had a father John Griffiths.  Maybe, I need to check that out again,
just to make sure!

Again, thank you so very much for helping me!

English Daisy

[English Daisy]

Hi Osprey

Back home!

Are we missing a generation of Griffiths, between John Griffiths and Thomas Griffiths?  Maybe, I am confused. 

Will take the information you gave me on your last post and make any necessary changes, after reading your last post again.

John Griffiths children range in age from 1827 to 1844
Thomas Griffiths children from 1868 to 1870

Thanks
English Daisy