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Offline Lizw

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Census Look-ups
« on: Thursday 28 June 07 09:00 BST (UK) »
Hi
I wonder if someone would be kind enough to help me with the Weir family.

John Granger Weir was born in Scotland on 9 Oct 1904 at "Ravenslea", Bearsden, Glasgow and had several sisters. His parents were Walter Weir and Helen Granger they apparently married in 1895 at the Grand Hotel in Glasgow.

Walter and Helen were apparently 2nd cousins & Helen was born in 1870 and died in 15 Feb 1936.

I think Walter's father was James Weir and Helen Granger's parents were Catherine Weir and John Granger (I found their marriage in the IGIs as 15 June 1866 in Cadder, Lanark, Scotland).

I also have been told that James Weir's Father was also a Walter Weir - there seem to be a lot of Walter Weirs in Lanarkshire in the IGIs I'm hoping  some census results might help me sort things out.

I would be very grateful for any help or advice anyone can provide.

many thanks
Liz
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Re: Census Look-ups
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 28 June 07 09:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Liz

I can help with some information from the Scottish Census, but I don't have access to the original images.

In 1901 I found a Walter and Helen living with Helen's parents:-

1901 Census Scotland Dumbartonshire New Kilpatrick
ED 5/ Reg # 500/ Page 24
Drymen Road Ravenslea

GRANGER
John Head Marr 62 Retired Posting and Job Master born Kirkcud Peebleshire
Helen Wife Marr 62 born Cadder Lanarkshire
Walter WEIR Son In Law Marr 31 Provisions Merchant born Glasgow Lanarkshire
Helen WEIR Dau Marr 31 born Govan Lanarkshire
Johana WEIR Grand Dau Unmarr 4 born New Kilpatrick Dumbartonshire
Audrey WEIR Grand Dau Unmarr 1 born New Kilpatrick Dumbartonshire
Sarah HAMILTON Serv Unmarr 27 General Domestic Servant born Glasgow Lanarkshire
Christina HAMILTON Serv Unmarr 20 General Domestic Servant born Glasgow Lanarkshire

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Karenlee
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Re: Census Look-ups
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 28 June 07 09:15 BST (UK) »
Hi

I went back to the 1891 as I was unsure if this was the right family, given that you found a Helen to John and Catherine, and this Helen was with a John and Helen.

In 1891 there is a John, occupation Job Master, wife Catherine and daughter Helen. 

Could John have married a second time?

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Re: Census Look-ups
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 28 June 07 10:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Karen Lee
 I suppose he could have married a second time or perhaps it might have been a transcription error putting down Helen twice ?? - I wonder?? Were there others living with them in 1891??
This is very good of you thank you so much.
Liz
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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 28 June 07 10:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Liz

Using occupations as a guide, I think that this may be the Walter that you are looking for:-

1891 Census Scotland Lanarkshire Bothwell
ED6/District # 625/1  Page 45
15 Kyle Park

WEIR
James Head Marr 51 Wholesale Provis: Merchant born Barony Lanarkshire
Agnes L Wife Marr 51 born Barony  Lanarkshire
Walter Son Unmarr 21 Provisions Merchant born Glasgow Lanarkshire
Marion B Dau Unmarr 18 born Glasgow Lanarkshire
James Son Unmarr 17 Scholar born Glasgow Lanarkshire
Norman Mc L Son Unmarr 14 Scholar born Cathcart Renfrewshire
Jane H RUSSELL Serv Unmarr 19 General Domestic Servant born Newarthill Lanarkshire

1881 Census Scotland Renfrewshire Cathcart
ED 10/ Reg #560/ Page 14
3 Hampden Place

WEIR
James Head Marr 41 Provisions Merchant born Glasgow Lanarkshire
Agnes L Wife Marr 41 born Glasgow Lanarkshire
Ann M Dau Unmarr 17 Not in School born Glasgow Lanarkshire
Walter Son Unmarr 11 Not in School born Glasgow Lanarkshire
Marion B Dau Unmarr 8 Not in School born Glasgow Lanarkshire
James Son Unmarr 7 Not in School born Cathcart Renfrewshire
Norman Mc L Son Unmarr 4 Not in School born Cathcart Renfrewshire
Agnes POLLOCK Serv Unmarr 18 Domestic Servant


1871 Census Scotland Lanarkshire Glasgow Inner High
ED58/ Reg # 644/1  Page 14
7 Hopeton Place

WEIR
James Head Marr 31 Cashire Provisions Trade born Glasgow Lanarkshire
Agnes L Wife Marr 31 born Glasgow Lanarkshire
Mary Neice Unmarr 14 General Domestic Servant born Bishop Waiggs Lanarkshire
Ann M C Dau Unmarr 7 born Glasgow Lanarkshire
Walter Son Unmarr 1 born Glasgow Lanarkshire



It is likely that there was a transcription error, I did consider that after I had posted that reply.  Since I cannot see the image it is difficult for me to say.

This is the family in 1891 :-

1891 Census Scotland Lanarkshire Glasgow Barony
ED 59/ Reg # 644/9  Page 20
56 Grant Street

GRANGER
John Head Marr 52 Job Master born Kirkard Peebleshire
Catherine Wife Marr 52 born Cadder Lanarkshire
Helen Dau Unmarr 21 born Govan Lanarkshire
Mary MACKAY Serv Unmarr 22 General Servant born Bowling Dumbartonshire

1881 Census Scotland Lanarkshire Glasgow Barony
ED 57/ Reg # 644/9  Page 21
56 Grant Street

GRANGER
John Head Marr 42 Job Master born Kirkard Peebleshire
Catherine Wife Marr 42 born Cadder Lanarkshire
Helen Dau Unmarr 11 Scholar born Glasgow Lanarkshire
Catherine MCNICOL Serv Unmarr 21 General Servant born Norht Knapdale G Argyleshire

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Karenlee
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Re: Census Look-ups
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 28 June 07 10:43 BST (UK) »
Fantastic. I will have great fun sorting through this - how kind of you and my relative will be thrilled - she really knew very little of her Fathers family it will mean a lot to her.

Thank you so much!!

Liz
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Re: Census Look-ups
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 28 June 07 10:53 BST (UK) »
No worries Liz

Just let me know if you want me to try and find any of these families any further back to 1841.  So pleased that it has been useful for you.,

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Re: Census Look-ups
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 28 June 07 12:12 BST (UK) »
Hi again
That would be wonderful if you could do these look ups.

Catherine Weir b abt 1839 in Cadder Lanarkshire I think from the IGIs that her parents might have been James Weir & Helen Robertson.

John Granger b abt 1839 at Kirkard, Peebleshire

James Weir b abt 1840 at Barony/Glasgow, Lanark. (Father Walter Weir)

Agnes Liddell Weir(?) b abt 1840 again at Barony.

I realize some of them will be touch & go whether they were born by the time the census was done. I found 6 children for James and Agnes in the IGIs & they list her namne as Agnes Liddell Weir - I wonder if this was really her maiden name - more marrying relatives perhaps?? Family Search web site seems to be on strike at the moment just as it was getting interesting!

Many thanks (again) Karen Lee.

Liz

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 29 June 07 04:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Liz

I found a Catherine WEIR with parents James and Helen :-

1851 Census Scotland Lanarkshire Cadder
ED 7/ Parish # 626/  Page 8
Gartosch Farm

WEIR
James Head Marr 44 Farmer of 80 Acres born Barony Lanarkshire
Helen Wife Marr 40 born Barony Lanarkshire
Catherine Dau Unmarr 13 born Cadder Lanarkshire
Walter Son Unmarr 10 Scholar born Cadder Lanarkshire
James Son Unmarr 8 Scholar born Cadder Lanarkshire
Agness Dau Unmarr 7 born Cadder Lanarkshire
Robert Son Unmarr 6 born Cadder Lanarkshire
Margaret Dau Unmarr 3 born Cadder Lanarkshire
Helen Dau Unmarr 1 born Cadder Lanarkshire
Robert SOMERVILLE Serv Unmarr 13 Farm Servant born Glasgow Lanarkshire
Neil GOURLAY Serv Unmarr 24 Farm Servant born Campsie Stirlingshire
Lilias GOURLAY Visitor Unmarr 25 Dressmaker born Campsie Stirlingshire
Agnes DICKSON Serv Unmarr 20 House Servant born Cadder Lanarkshire

 1841 Census Scotland Lanarkshire Cadder
ED 34/ Parish # 626
Gartosch

WEIR
James 30 Farmer born Lanarkshire
Helen 30 born Lanarkshire
Catherine 3 born Lanarkshire
Walter 1 born Lanarkshire
Catherine ROBERTSON 20 Female Servant born Lanarkshire
John GILLIN 29 Labourer born Ireland
George HOLMS 15 Male Servant born Scotland
David KIRK 15 Male Servant born Lanarkshire
Mary LOVE 13 Female Servant born Lanarkshire


1841 Census Scotland Peeblesshire Kirkurd
ED 2/ Parish # 764
Sunnyside

GRANGER
Alexander 40 Carrier born Peeblesshire
Helen 30 born Peeblesshire
Thomas 9 born Peeblesshire
George 5 born Peebleshire
John 1 born Peeblesshire

By 1851 it appears that Helen has died :-

1851 Census Scotland Peeblesshire Innerleithen
ED1/ Parish # 762/ Page 17
Minesch Well

GRANGER
Alexander Head 45 Carter  born Tweedsmuir Peeblesshire
Thomas  Son 19 Labourer born Westlinton Peeblesshire
George Son 15 Scholar born Kirkurd Peeblesshire
Barbara THOMSON Sister 55 Pauper born Tweedsmuir Peeblesshire

I think that John is in service :-

1851 Census Scotland Peeblesshire Innerleithen
ED 3/ Parish # 762/ Page 4
Whitehope

In the household of William and Helen HOGG
John GRANGER Serv 18 Agricultural Servant born Peebles Peeblesshire

I found Agnes Liddell WEIR :-

1841 Census Scotland Lanarkshire Barony
ED 9/ Parish # 622
Burmulloch

WEIR
Walter 35 Farmer born Lanarkshire
Ann 35 born Lanarkshire
Walter 13 born Lanarkshire
William 7 born Lanarkshire
Robert 5 born Lanarkshire
Isabella Stobo 3 born Lanarkshire
Agnes Liddell 1 born Lanarkshire
Peter MCCORMACK 25 Ag Lab born Ireland
Agnes MENZIES 20 Female Servant born Lanarkshire
John FAULDS 20 Ag Lab born Lanarkshire
Thomas STEVENSON 15 Ag Lab born Lanarkshire
Mary GILLESPIE 15 Female Servant born Lanarkshire

I could not find a James son of Walter on either the 1841 or the 1851. There is a James WEIR aged 10, in service as a Farm Servant, in Lanark, family of HARVIE.

1851 Census Scotland Lanarkshire Maryhill
ED 11/ Parish # 622/ Page 7
Burmulloch

WEIR
Walter Head Marr 48 Farmer of 100 Acres Employing 2 Labourers born Barony Lanarkshire
Ann Wife Marr 48 born Barony Lanarkshire
Walter Visitor Unmarr 23 Spirit Merchant born Barony Lanarkshire
William Son Unmarr 16 Employed on Farm born Barony Lanarkshire
Robert Visitor Unmarr 14 Spirit Merchant born Barony Lanarkshire
Isabella Dau Unmarr 12 Scholar born Barony Lanarkshire
Agnes L Dau Unmarr 10 Scholar born Barony Lanarkshire
John Son Unmarr 7 Scholar born Barony Lanarkshire
Walter Servant Unmarr 28 Ag Lab born Barony Lanarkshire
Walter S Nephew Unmarr 10 Scholar born Glasgow
Margaret HOW Serv Unmarr 2o Dairy Maid born Auchtermuchty Fifeshire
James SMITH Serv Unmarr 16 Ag Lab born Ireland

Having 4 Walter WEIRS in the household much surely have been confusing.   Pretty sure that Walter aged 23 is son of Walter and Ann, Walter the servant must also be a relative of some sort.  Robert is also probably son of Walter and Ann although listed as a visitor............... maybe he and older brother Walter work somewhere else and were home for a visit.

Hope that this is not too confusing.  Just let me know if I have missed someone please. 

Cheers
Karenlee
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