SMYTH/SMITH b.c.1832 - COMPLETED

[sparrett]

Hi All,
I am not sure what the current feeling about the Bernard at Laura is, but thought I would pop this in. because it never hurts to have too much information.

At Laura Cemetery SA.

Bernard Smyth. Catholic. buried 1894 aged 78 lot 0531. Last res. Pine Creek.
Ellen Smyth. Catholic, buried 1920. Aged 60.lot 0530 Last Res. Parkside.
Margaret Smythe  Catholic. buried 1907. Aged 87 lot 0532 Last Res Laura.
Sue

[ChristineR]

The death index for Margaret says that her husband is Bernard.
Bernard is certainly of a suitable age to have fathered Terence.
Ellen - an unmarried daughter? or a daughter-in-law?

Is it likely that this is the Bernard SMYTH and Margaret SLATTERY who were having children in SA 1853 & 1858?   A twenty year (or more) child bearing time span is not uncommon - so could well be SASHAR's people.

ChristineR 

edit :  I see now that Sashar knows this couple 

Married 1852 - he was single according to the index, and he would have been about 36 years old.   I see the problem now - does not seem to be Terence's father.  Different kettle of fish if he had been a widower when married.

[SASHAR]

Thankyou everyone for all the time you have spent searching and coming up with all these theories.
Proving to be a bit of a dead end isn't it.
Bernard SMYTH buried at Laura would have only been 16 when Terrence was born - it's possible he could be Terence's father, but sounds a bit young to me.
Susan SMYTH doesn't seem to belong to the Laura family either so it is possible she may be a sister to Terence but there's no proof at this stage.
Thanks for posting the Vic records, at least I can store all this away if something more positive turns up.
Thankyou all so much for your efforts - greatly appreciated, Sashar

[tropicalj]

hello  Sashar

Perhaps Terence was indeed born over the waters somewhere and you may not find where he did come from.

I had a thought on this that might help.

I got my gggfathers will from  the Probate office of South Australia it cost $12.00 and that enabled me to know for sure that my ggmother was his daughter cause he left her 2) pounds in the will.  The reason I did for this was of course of the fact that south australian certiicates (which are rather costly) don't offer up much information. 

Now whether or not Bernard Smyth who we feel is not related left a will remains to be seen.

What about Terrence did he leave a will and would there be any insight to his background at all in it?

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~dpsoc/wills.htm#South%20Australia
regards Jenn

[SASHAR]

Hi Jenn,
Thanks for the suggestion re trying for a Will.   I've never done that with any of my family so I will research that.
I checked the site you recommended.  For South Australia do you take it that you can apply and if there is a will you pay $11.80 but if no will there is no charge?
Terence died in 1866 aged just 34yrs, leaving his wife Cecily to raise 5 small children, oldest was 9yrs old.  I've never found a remarriage for Cecily and she lived until 73yrs of age.  She was definately Irish and from Co.Roscommon. but I've not gone further back for her as I only know her father was Peter.
I'll do a bit more researching on the net - thanks for throwing in another idea, I really appreciate it - Sashar

[tropicalj]

hello  Sashar
from memory I phoned tham andthey checked and said yes  there was a will and then I paid  then money for the copy

regards JEnn

[SASHAR]

Thanks Jenn, I'll definately try that - regards, Sashar

[Tabbee]

Dear Sashar,

I am a Loorim and a Smyth!  My grandfather's grandparents were Elizabeth Loorim who married Bernard Smyth.  They were Catholics, married at St. Alipius Church in Ballarat, Victoria, on 14th January 1861.  Bernard Smyth died when a mine he was working in flooded on 7th October 1872.  He is buried at Scarsdale Cemetery with his wife and daughter, Teresa.

Bernard Smyth was born in 1833 in County Cavan, Ireland, son of Bernard Smyth and Honora McCabe.  Elizabeth Loorim was born in 1836 in Castletown, West Meath, Ireland.  She died in March 1881.  Her parents were John Loorim and Ellen Greevy.

Their children were:

Ann Eliza b. 1861 at Italian Gully
Maria (my ancestor) b. 1863 at Maddens Flat d. 1944
Margaret Mary b. 1866 at Lintons
Teresa b. 1867 at Carngham d. 1874 at Carngham
Ellen b. 1869 at Scarsdale d. 1872 at Scarsdale
Bernard William b. 1871 Scarsdale
William John d. 1887 East Melbourne Hospital

Maria m. William Francis Wilkinson at St. Patrick's, Church Hill, The Rocks, Sydney 15/9/1884.

[BUTLER5]

Hi as Butler5 I am a descendant of the Loorim family.

Margaret Loorim was my Great Grandmother who married a Leon Dezille 1863 who was a miner at Carngham Vic  and I have found the connections with Annie Daly Mary Johnson Bridget who married Hugh Barry killed in mine at Carngham then Daniel Dingwall . Bridget is buried at Keilor Victoria, and your connection Elizabeth who married Bernard Smyth. In early 1950's I visited Maggie (Margaret) who was in a nursing home at Kew
I note that Margaret and Elizabeth probably arrived at Adelaide in 1854 whilst Mary and Bridget arrived in 1852 Melb.   Father was John and mother Ellen Creeney  and sister Kate born circa 1840 in Mullingar Ireland