1891 and 1901 Griffiths Lookup COMPLETED

[English Daisy]

I would like to follow up on what happened to Ann Griffiths
and Edwin Griffiths in the 1891 and 1901 Census.

1881 Census Information Below:

Household (2 persons)

Ann Griffiths
Widow, age 70
Birthplace:  Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Widow of a Mariner (John Griffiths)

and

Edwin Griffiths
Nephew, unmarried
Age 16
Birthplace:   Pembrey, Carmarthenhsire, Wales
Occupation -  Gardener (ND)

Thank you for any 1891 and 1901 census information you can give me.

English Daisy

[Tony55]

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[English Daisy]

Thank you Tony for the 1901 Census information on
Edwin Griffiths.

Did you see the residence address on the census page?

I would appreciate it very much if you could forward it to me.
Now I know where the name, Edith, came from in my family!

I guess you were not able to locate Ann Griffiths yet.

It would not surprise me if Ann lived a long life. Ann's daughter,
Jane, lived to 94 or 96 years of age, and so did her grand-daughter!

I noticed that Edwin's status has gone from being a grandson in
the 1871 Census to being a nephew in the 1881 Census!

Next task is to find out who Edwin's parents were!  I plan on getting
his birth certificate, once I receive Jane's certificate, which is in the mail
to me now.

Thank you for your help Tony!

Regards

English Daisy

[Tony55]

Hi Daisy,
   Best i can do with the address is Mina St,   Cuiglas Cottage. Llanelly.   but i could be miles off.

   Sorry can't be more help,  can't seem to find Edwin at all in the 1891.

Tony

[English Daisy]

Hi Tony

Could I make one more look up request for Edwin Griffiths?

You may have done this already, but if you have not, would
you take a look at the 1901 Cheshire, England Census.

Since, Ann Griffiths has died and he has married, it is possible
he could have moved to Birkenhead, Cheshire area to be
with other relatives.

I could have made this request on RootsChat Cheshire pages,
but you are familiar with Edwin.

Thank you

English Daisy

[osprey]

1901 address is Caeglas Cottage

1891 Upper Inkerman St, Llanelli RG12/4495 folio 25 pg 43
Edwin Griffiths head mar 27 coachman b. Pembrey
Emma wife 24 b. Llandilo
Albert son 6 scholar b. Llanelly
Edith A dau 4 scholar b. Llandilo
Agnes M dau 2 b. Llanelly

marriage - Edwin Griffiths dec qtr 1884 Llanelly vol 11a pg 1304 with Emma Edwards on the same page

possible for Ann
Waunrhedinnau(?), Pembrey RG12/4497 folio 49 pg 7
Anne Griffiths head widow 75 pauper b. Pembrey

[English Daisy]

Hello Osprey

Nice to hear from you!  Thank you for the 1891 Census
information on Edwin Griffiths.

I am confident that Edwin is related to John and Ann Griffiths
(mariner), who were both born and married at Llanelly Parish,
in Llanelly on March 31, 1837.

Still do not know what Edwin's status was in the John and Ann
Griffiths family. Edwin in 1871 was a "grandson" and in 1881, he
was a "nephew".

Same thing happened with Mary Ann Griffiths. In 1861, she was
the "daughter" of John and Mary Griffiths. Then ten years later in
1871, she was a "grand-daughter".

So, it looks like I will have to order their birth certificates to solve
that puzzle!

I have Jane Preston (nee Griffiths) birth certificate, which
confirms her birth date to be Dec. 25, 1837.  The informant
on the certificate was her brother, John Thomas.

Thank you so much Osprey for your excellent analysis of
the research carried out on Jane Griffiths. You were right on
when you implied, that Jane might possibly be passing herself
off as a younger woman!!!!  She ended up being eight years
younger than Robert!

Best regards

English Daisy

[English Daisy]

Hi Osprey

Forgot to ask you a question pertaining to Ann Griffiths, 75, pauper
in Waunrhedinnau (?), Pembrey.

When one is a "pauper", does that mean that she was a ward of the
government?

Would she be living in her own home or in an institution for the elderly?

Are you familiar with "Waunrhedinnau"?  Is that a street name or an
institution?

Ann's age in 1881 Census was 70 and living with Edwin.
Maybe, we have another case of another relative passing themself of as
a younger woman, in 1891 Census, or her memory was failing her!!!

Thank you for your help.

English Daisy

 

[osprey]

There were just 2 houses under that name, not sure of spelling, in the census so not a village name, possibly a house name.
Pauper in this case, as she isn't leaving in a workhouse, means someone in receipt of poor relief form the parish as she does not have enough to live on herself. Possibly in the form of money, probably bread. State pension didn't start until 1908 or thereabouts, so nothing for most people to fall back. Nearest workhouse was Llanelli. The only records which survive apparently are the Guardians' Minute Books 1836 - 1930 and they're at the Carmarthenshire Record Office.

This site is really helpful and has pictures of the Llanelli workhouse.

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/index.html