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Re: A muddle, and maybe a hopeless one
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 18 February 14 13:59 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
Good to hear from you.
Just to let you know that Fedw is a farm in Dolwyddelan where Robert Ellis and his wife Ann, lived. They are both buried at Sant Gwyddelan Church, Dolwyddelan.
Robert Ellis died 10.10.1885, 74 years old. Memorial Inscription 218
Ellis Holland ( my 5th x grandfather) died on 17.1.1856, 72 years old - gravestone photo.
Looking forward to hearing from you 
Bye for now
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Re: A muddle, and maybe a hopeless one
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 18 February 14 15:16 GMT (UK) »
Hello cymraes, glad you found your way back here :)

Ellis is mine also. I think he was born in Llandrillo, Denbigh, but I am having a very hard time finding any parents for him. He just doesn't seem to be anywhere at all...and Holland is a more unusual name for Wales. Have you had any luck?

Thank you for posting the photo! Very nice to see it. I used to visit Dolwyddelan when I was young, and the church was quite literally in the back garden of the house where I stayed. But I had  no interest in genealogy then, and wasted so much opportunity....I could have been searching for ancestors, and instead I was chasing lambs (a novelty to me)  :P :)

How are you descended from Ellis? And have you translated the inscription on the stone?

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Re: A muddle, and maybe a hopeless one
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 18 February 14 20:22 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
Ellis and Judith Holland had 6 sons, the fourth being my 4xgrfather William Ellis.
William’s daughter , Margaret Ellis (from his second wife, Jane ), born June 9, 1862 at Singrug, Dolwyddelan was  married to DAVID WILLIAMS on 17 Nov 1883, at the LLANRWST Register Office.
 
Their daughter, JUDITH WILLIAMS was  born  on September 9, 1890  at CEFN GWYN EGLWYSBACH  and died March 30, 1915 at DORFIL PLACE  FFESTINIOG. She married  ROBERT JONES WILLIAMS, Plas Ucha, Penmachno on  August 13, 1907 at the LLANRWST Register Office. Their only son, OWEN was my grandfather, born at CAE GWYN, DOLWYDDELAN .

Here is the wording on the gravestone of Ellis Holland (1785-1856)
SANT GWYDDELAN  DOLWYDDELAN      MEMORIAL INSCRIPTION no.22
Coffadwriaeth am ELLIS HOLLANT, yr hwn a fu farw Ion; 17,1856 yn 72 oed.
Hefyd JUDETH, ei wraig, bu farw Ion; 21,1862, yn 80 oed.
Hefyd eu dau fab; HUGH, bu farw 1807, yn 1 fl oed.
JOHN bu farw 1850, yn 25 oed.
Hefyd, un wyr iddynt, ELLIS HOLLAND, mab hynaf ELLIS a CATHERINE HOLLAND, Fron, yr hwn a fu  farw Gorphenaf 15fed, 1888, yn 34 mlwydd oed.

Translation:
“In  Memory of wife ELLIS HOLLANT, who died Jan; 17, 1856, aged 72 yrs
Also JUDETH, his wife, who died Jan; 21, 1862, aged 80 years.
Also, their two sons; HUGH, who died 1807, aged 1 year.
JOHN, died 1850, aged 25 years.
Also, their grandson, ELLIS HOLLAND, eldest son of  ELLIS and CATHERINE HOLLAND, Fron,  who died July 15th, 1888 aged 34 years “

Ellis Holland seems to have rather a complicated background .. work-in-progress!

Best wishes for now 
cymraes


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Re: A muddle, and maybe a hopeless one
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 18 February 14 21:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi cymraes, thank you very much for the translation.

I'm from Robert Ellis, sometimes indexed as Robert Holland. He was born 1811 so was a little older than your William. They lived at Penamnen, whose stones I played on as a girl...I had no idea of the history I was climbing! :)

I don't have a cohesive tree yet...mostly just a sheaf of papers...but I believe Robert's daughter Judith married Robert Williams, who was the father of my great-grandfather Moses Williams. Moses and his family emigrated to Patagonia in 1911, and I have seen his grave there. A brown and dry land, it must have been such a wrench for them to leave Wales.

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Re: A muddle, and maybe a hopeless one
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 05 July 15 18:32 BST (UK) »
I fell upon this topic by accident, but am fortunate enough to have some information about the old families of Dolwyddelan.
Could this, written about 1837, be of any use to any of you:
"Fedw:
William Pierce, a widower, lived here. His wife was Ellen Evans. William was the son of Pierce William, Fedw. Ellen was ......The children were Alice, Gwen, and Ann, wife of Robert, Ellis Holland's son...... Many of the children of these families are living in the area".
Feel free to PM me if you want the bits I haven't typed here.

Also happy to check other addresses in Dolwyddelan for anyone.
Davies, Owen, Jones, Pritchard in Dolwyddelan and Penmachno.
Hughes, Jones, Closs in/near Llanberis.
Aston, Walker in the Lye, Worcs.
Farrell, Hollins, Holland in Birmingham.

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Re: A muddle, and maybe a hopeless one
« Reply #14 on: Friday 19 August 16 19:51 BST (UK) »
Hi
     Ellis Holland 1783-1856 is my 5Th great grandfather, I have also had problems in finding any evidence of his birthday in llandrillo. His father was a Major Holland that owned a manor house and land in Flintshire. Ellis himself was a military man in his younger days. I came upon some stories of him in the old welsh newspaper's, calling young men of dolwyddelan to arms to protect the villagers from bandits, this must have happened in the early 1800s, the newspaper was written in 1891.

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Re: A muddle, and maybe a hopeless one
« Reply #15 on: Friday 19 August 16 20:30 BST (UK) »
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3643698/3643703/22/
Another Ellis Holland who was probably in Dolwyddelan, about 1845.

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3561955/3561963/45/
1886 July 15, aged 34 years, Ellis, son of the late Mr Ellis Holland, Frondirion, Dolwyddelen.
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Re: A muddle, and maybe a hopeless one
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 21 August 16 01:57 BST (UK) »
Llio! Welcome to Rootschat! You'll find a wealth of information and help here...many knowledgeable people including some who have been very lazy in answering Ancestry correspondence  :-[ :)

Hi wilcoxon, nice finds! I suppose the Ellis Holland in the first paper could have been the same one. "Our" Ellis lived until 1856.
The second one, the 1861 shows father Ellis b 1822 and son Ellis b 1852. How many Ellis Hollands could there be in one tiny village? Although, more Hollands in Wales than in Holland, I think I read somewhere...  :P

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