Robert Stewart, Wilton, b 1799c

[Super Nana]

  New to this. Look up please OPR birth/baptism for Robert Stewart b 1799c in Wilton. He later married Jean Burnside in Glasgow in 1837. He was a weaver.
Many thanks in advance.
Anne

[MonicaL]

Hi Anne

You're in luck  An actual extract from the Old Parish Registers, showing on IGI (family search):

ROBERT STUART Christening:  09 JUN 1799  Wilton, Roxburgh, Scotland
Parents: ROBERT STUART    and MARGARET HAMILTON

Regards,

Monica

[MonicaL]

Anne

From the list of children showing for Robert and Jane/Jean Burnside following their marriage in 1837, their first born son looks to be Robert (24 DEC 1840 Barony, Lanark) which would fit with Scottish naming patters - first son called after paternal grandfather... Can't see a birth of a Margaret though, there are however some gaps in the birth years of their children. You have one of their children Alexander born in 1855 (12 MAR 1855 High Church, Glasgow), the magic year for info on BMDs in Scotland. The first year of official reg. in Scotland and the entries on the Register included a wealth of additional info for one year only. For births, it will tell you a lot more than normal about the parents, including how many children they'd had (alive or deceased). Certainly one to view on Scotlands People if you haven't done so already.

Regards.

Monica

[Super Nana]

Hello Monica,

Many thanks for your time looking into this for me. I will certainly look further into this. See note below about  this.

Managed to follow  Robert and Jane through the censuses in Glasgow.
1841.  Robert, 40, Jane 30, Jane 2, Robert  aged 6 months.
1851   Robert 50, Cotton Weaver, b. Walton/Wilton ? Roxburgh.
           Jane 40,b. Glasgow.
           Jane daur. aged 12, Robert son aged 10.
           Mary daur. aged 8 and Walter son aged 5.
1861.  They have another son Alexander aged 6  [b. 1855]

Alexander born 1855 is my husband's ancestor.
I did manage to get a copy of his birth, which is very difficult to read  because of the faint writing.
Robert died 19 May 1877. I do have his death cert. which notes his  mother's maiden surname.  I read it  as COWIE/CURRIE/CORVIC  ?? Cert. attached. Failed to get any further with this info.


Also have a copy of the Poor Law record  for Jane Burnside. widow of Robert Stewart dated 11 Feb 1887, Glasgow.
 It held a wealth of info. about their family.

Jane now 77 and 3months,.
Parents. Walter Burnside born Drygate. Weaver. Jane Wallace born Falkirk both deceased.

Husband Rob. Stewart 78 years, born in Springbank or Hawick died 10 years ago in Hunter St.[ Cannot tell his parentage].

I'll keep on searching, thanks again
Anne

[MonicaL]

That's a pity it's not straightforward. In your position, I would probably look at one of the OPR entries for the children showing to Robert Stewart and Margaret Hamilton to see what it shows for father Robert's occupation and whether it matches that on the 1877 death cert. There are two more entries apart from Robert:

MARGARET STUART  Christening: 04 MAR 1793 Wilton, Roxburgh, Scotland

ALEXANDER STUART  Christening: 23 FEB 1795 Wilton, Roxburgh, Scotland

If father's occupation is shown on his children's occupation, it might help in firming up or discounting this couple as your Robert's parents.

Regards.

Monica

[Super Nana]

Monica,
Thanks for the tip.
I have just searched on Scotland's People for the birth/baptisms of Margaret. Alexander and Robert. [saved the images. just in case they are the right family]

No father's occupation  Margaret's and Alexander's
On Robert's his father's occupation is a Bleacher.
I also searched for the marriage of Robert and Margaret Hamilton 1775-1793 all parishes with out success.
Robert and any Jane all parishes without success.

While looking  over  Robert's b.1799, OPR marriage to Jane Burnside 1837 I notice that they were married by Peter Currie,  Burgher  Minister.

Sooooo , did the informant of Robert's death think this Peter Currie was Jane's father, after seeing his OPR marriage cert.?
I know some informants have  given the wrong info. as I have found out myself.

Have all OPR's marriages been added to Scotland's People?
 Were some marriages never recorded at the time ?

I'll leave it for now Monica, my head is spinning trying to fathom this one out.
 best regards
Anne

[MonicaL]

Anne

From the OPR birth entry for Robert b. 1799, I am concerned that father Robert shows as a bleacher by occupation. From your Robert's death cert., father Robert shows as Mason.

In fact, the occupation bleacher would fit in quite well with your Robert's own occupation of weaver. It's the death cert. info that throws everything up in the air.

Monica

PS: Not that it helps with the lack of verifiable sources at this point, but from Robert's death cert., mother's surname looks like COWIE to me. As you know, surname variants over the years could have resulted in a number of spellings of this name.

[Super Nana]

Monica,

Yes. I thought the name was Cowie myself.
I have searched in that name to no avail.

Occupations do change over the years, but I would presume having a trade like a Mason  Foreman, you would be in that type of work for life.

So it does seem that the Bleacher,  Robert may be the wrong father.

Thanks again Monica, I am very grateful for you input.
I will keep on searching.

Best regards
Anne