REDFORD/GRAY (Duns)

[nequine]

Is anyone researching the family of Margaret Redford and William Gray, baker of Duns.  They married in Duns 1802 and the union produced a number of children including Jean (born 1819) , Elizabeth (1814), Dinah, Christian (1812), Burdass (sp?), and Cordelia (born 1822).

Cordelia married a William Dewar, but I have no idea what happened to the others nor indeed parents of said Margaret and William, one time baker of Duns.

Thanks

[Beckey]

Hi,

This may be of help.

Per 1855 M.I. Duns, recorded 1970 by David Cargill.

William Gray. feur and baker in Dunse 3.9. 1765 spouse Jean Bell 2.3.1800 son William feur and baker in Dunse 20.12.1781 dau. Margaret 1.3.1819 dau. Elizabeth 4.5.1820 60 yrs. Mary Weir spouse of William Gray Junior 29.2.1832 82 yrs.

On back.
William Gray, feur and innkeeper in Dunse 3.1.1836 56 yrs.  Margaret Redfod his wife 29.1.1837 57 yrs.

[nequine]

Thank you - that was a great help and very kind of you to answer so promptly.    Your signposting has certainly added a few more roads for me to travel - or railway sidings to get stuck in - but I often find those sidings great be great fun.


Thanks again

[Beckey]

Hi,

This may be of a bit more help if you know of all the children.

1841 census Duns.
Haymount.
Thomas Gray      M  57  Grocer/Spirit Dealer   Bew.
Agness               F  50                                    Ouc.
Edward              M  19                                    Bew.

North St.
Robert Gray       M  60  Shoemaker                Bew.

Clouds.
John Gray          M  55  Sawyer                     Bew.
Jane                  F   55                                   Bew.
John                  M  15  App. Sawyer             Bew.
Jean                  F   14                                   Bew.
John Caddie      M  9                                     Bew.

Castle St.
Margaret Gray   F  52  Ind.                           Bew.
Jane                  F  50    "                              Bew.
Mary                  F  43    "                              Bew.
Eliza Paxton      F  18  F.Serv.                       Bew.

The 1841 census isn't very good on information, hope it helps.
If you think any of them fit let me know, most of them are on the 1851 census as well.

[freerd]

Elizabeth Gray (b1814) is my great x3 grandmother.  Her death registry image (d1875) lists father William Gray with an occupation of baker and mother as Margaret Redford.  Elizabeth married a John Cameron in 1841.

Have you acquired anymore information since your posting?

[banana54]

Is anyone researching the family of Margaret Redford and William Gray, baker of Duns. They married in Duns 1802 and the union produced a number of children including Jean (born 1819) , Elizabeth (1814), Dinah, Christian (1812), Burdass (sp?), and Cordelia (born 1822).

Hi, yes I'm researching this couple - as of today in fact, so can't believe that I stumbled across this within hours of identifying Margaret Redford as hubby's 4 x gt grandmother!  I've had Burdass in our tree for quite some time, though with numerous variations on the spelling (e.g. Burdis, Bordis); it seems that at least one boy in each following generation has been given this name, & it's so unusual that it's actually helped me to be sure I'm following the right Gray family 

Today on Scotland’s People I found the baptism of Burduss (that’s how it appears to be spelt there): he was born 5th Jan 1812 & baptised 6th Feb 1812, in Duns.  This led me to the marriage of William Gray & Margaret Redford: 6th April 1802 in Duns.

Now on to what I’ve had in my Ancestry tree for ages – I’ve mainly followed Burdass's son William, as he is hubby’s direct ancestor:

1841 census for Stockton upon Tees:
Burdess (but transcribed as Burdup) Gray, baker, age 26, born Scotland
Jane Gray, age 24
Ann Gray, age 7
William Gray, age 1
In the column for where born, there is an ‘N’ by Jane & Ann.
The next entry on the census sheet is: Betsy Burdis, age 11 - don't know who she is, ut he name is too much of a coincidence for her not to be related!

1851 census for Stockton upon Tees Workhouse (district 2m, p.:
Burdess Gray, widower age 41, baker, in receipt of Parish Relief
Ann Gray, daughter, age 17, b. Newcastle upon Tyne, also in receipt of parish relief
Margret Gray, daughter, age 6, b. Stockton, scholar

and then, on the 1851 census for Hartlepool (district 10h, p.2) I found:
William Gray, age 11
Burdes Gray, age 8
John Gray, age 2

I found a baptism record on the LDS site, Batch No: C028667 for Margaret Gray (spelt Grey, but the parents tally), & she had a twin, Jane Grey; both baptised 6th June 1845, St Thomas’, Stockton; presumably Jane must have died.

I lost track of Burdess senior after that, but have followed William:
1859 m. Anna Bell Whitfield (I have lots on her too)
1861 census for Winlaton, Co. Durham; 2 children, plus William’s brother Burdes/Bardis living with them.
1871 Linz Green,Tanfield, Co Durham census (surname spelt Grey): 8 children, plus William’s brother John living with them.
1881 Medomsley, Co. Durham census: 11 children
1891 Medomsely census: Anna is a widow, but of the 9 children living with her, the youngest son is 8 years old, & the youngest daughter 3 months old – Anna was 53 by this time, so it would have been stretching it for this to actually be her daughter (perhaps really a granddaughter?), but William had definitely died by 1891.
William & Anna had 13 children altogether; their son Burdis died in the 1903 mining accident at Hamsterley Colliery.

I have a fair amount of information regarding William’s brother Burdes (sp?), plus plenty more details of the Gray family which I’ll happily share with you, but until now had found very little info on the family in earlier times. Interesting as the other posts are, I’m afraid I don’t actually understand them so would appreciate some help.
For instance, what does ‘feur’ mean?  And, how do these people fit in with William Gray and Margaret Redford?

Perhaps I need to read through the posts a few more times, but was so excited that I had to get this reply written asap!

[freerd]

Here is the information that I have on the Gray family prior to William Gray b11/11/1780, m06/04/1802, d04/01/1836.  I have no prior information on Margaret Redford.

Parents of William Gray b1780:

- William Gray b20/08/1751, d20/12/1781

Birth Data:
ScotlandsPeople
District - Duns
GROS Data - 735/ 0030 0206
Notes: "William Gray lawful son to William Gray and Jean Bell born 20th.  Witt: ?Geo? ?Sanderson? and Pat Abernethie?"

- Mary Weir b29/07/1759, d03/01/1832

Birth Data:
IGI

Death Data:
ScotlandsPeople
District - Duns
GROS Data - 735/00 0405
Notes: "Mary Weir widow of William Gray baker Duns, died 1st March 1832 and was buried 2nd March aged 82 years."

Parents of William Gray b1751:

- William Grey d03/09/1765

- Jean Bell 02/03/1800

Parents of Mary Weir b1759:

- John Weir

- Mary Sadler

[banana54]

Many thanx for that - very helpful; I've also (having spent half the night puzzling over it) managed to make a bit more sense of the previous postings, so a branch of my tree that's been neglected for ages is suddenly sprouting twigs all over the place 

[banana54]

I have no prior information on Margaret Redford.

I think I may have found her on the IGI:
Margaret Redford
baptised 24/1/1779
All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England


Newcastle isn't 'that' far across the border from Duns (less than 80 miles), but what makes it even more likely that this is her is the name of the father: Burdus Redford! 
No mother's name though