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Jonathan Parmley Born in Alston in 1777?
« on: Friday 27 July 07 17:51 BST (UK) »
Jonathan Parmley of Linton (Hebden and Grassington). Did he come from Alston, Cumberland?
I am posting this here because Alston parish records are kept by Northumberland Record Office

We have come across my ancestor, Jonathan Parmley in the 1803 Craven Muster Roll. (We believe this is him. Actually the name here is Jonathan Parmeby.) He is registered as living in  Hebden. He is a lead miner and a class one possible combatant (in the case of an invasion by Napoleon), as is mine agent Thomas Dickinson, who was a witness at his wedding. At the time Jonathan was the only person called Parmley in the area, we think.

In 1803 Jonathan married Susannah Frankland, the daughter of a local farmer. They had eight children in all, two of whom died. Their names were; Elizabeth, William, Thomas, Mary, Ann, Mary, Jonathan, Elizabeth. All were born in Grassington.

We know that Susannah’s parents were Thomas and Mary Frankland. It seems therefore that they might have been employing a custom of naming for their children; his father then hers for the boys; his mother then hers for the girls – even using Mary again when the first Mary died.

We cannot trace Jonathan’s birth in 1777. He probably came from a lead mining area to Grassington. We have found the marriage of a William Parmely (sic) to Elizabeth Allison in 1764 in Alston, Cumberland. Using the naming custom, we are working on the hypothesis that these are Jonathan’s parents.

Before going further we’d like to know if anyone has found the baptism of Jonathan which would confirm or disprove our idea.

For more information about the Parmleys in Wharfedale area, see Tony Owen’s site; http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/o/w/e/Anthony-Owen/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0216.html

Or

Join the Wharfdale Family History site to view their database of people who life events were registered in that area;
http://wharfegen.org.uk/


Thanks,



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Re: Jonathan Parmley Born in Alston in 1777?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 31 July 07 19:39 BST (UK) »
Although it is possible that the Alston parish records are held in the Northumberland Records Office I have examined the microfilm at the Cumbria Archives at Carlisle Castle.

I have transcripts of baptisms but only from 1813 so unable to locate your Jonathan.

Looking through the records I have the following, you will see that some of the names have been spelt differently – spellings below as extracted. These include the 1764 marriage of William Parmely to Elizabeth Allison which you mentioned.

Marriages:
29 Apr 1710  John Marshall = Mary Parmenley
17 May 1749  John Parmenly = Margaret Walton
16 Aug 1764  William Parmely = Elizabeth Allison
7 Jul 1767  John Parmely = Dorithy Carrick
14 Sep 1771  Thomas Hodgson = Mary Parmely
6 Jul 1794  Robert Simson = Hannah Parmilly
26 Jul 1795  John Parmely = Jane Bailey
30 May 1799  John Carr = Mary Parmaly
12 Jun 1802  Edmund Parmely = Isabella White
5 May 1804  William Parmaly = Margaret Milburn
5 May 1804  William Parmaly = Margaret Milburn
14 Oct 1809  Richard Parmently = Sarah Walton
29 Jun 1811  Thomas Parmently = Elizabeth Milbourn
16 Apr 1814  Jonathan Parmenly = Elizabeth Kindred
31 Aug 1820  William Watson = Hannah Parmenly
22 May 1823  John Vipond = Mary Parmenly
8 Sep 1823  Stephen Hodgson = Elizabeth Parmley
9 Feb 1826  Albany Bell = Hannah Parmerley
7 Feb 1828  John Parmley = Phillis Walton
27 Aug 1831  John Nattrass Stobart = Isabella Parmaley
3 Apr 1834  John White = Jane Parmely
29 Jun 1837  Edward Parmley = Elizabeth Walton

Baptisms:
26 Dec 1813 Hannah Parmenly daughter of Richard & Sarah
9 Oct 1814 Mary Parmenly daughter of Jonathan & Elizabeth
26 Jan 1817 Hannah Parmenly daughter of Jonathan & Elizabeth
19 Oct 1817 Sarah Parmenly daughter of Thomas & Elizabeth
7 Oct 1821 Hannah Parmenly daughter of Thomas & Elizabeth
7 Oct 1821 William Parmenly son of Thomas & Elizabeth
7 Oct 1821 Jonathan Parmenly son of Thomas & Elizabeth
17 Jul 1824 Joseph Parmley son of Richard & Sarah
12 Sep 1824 Richard Parmley son of Thomas & Elizabeth
20 Aug 1826 Richard Parmley son of Richard & Sarah
30 Dec 1827 Sarah Parmely daughter of Richard & Sarah


Maybe some of these will connect for you.

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Re: Jonathan Parmley Born in Alston in 1777?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 31 July 07 21:27 BST (UK) »
Dear Creaney,

Thank you so very much for that. We have made a brave effort at piecing the families together from information available.

16 Aug 1764  William Parmely = Elizabeth Allison
This is almost definitely the marriage of Jonathans' parents

Was there a mention of the place that either of the couple were living at?

Was any abode given for Jonathan or Elizabeth in this record, or even better date of birth?
16 Apr 1814  Jonathan Parmenly = Elizabeth Kindred

It is very unlikely that this is the marriage of the son of William and Elizabeth. He would be 37 years old.

To make sense of all this, it's a matter of looking at registers in both Alston and Carrigill.  I have explained the progress we have just made in an update I have posted on the Cumberland section;

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,246962.0.html


Thanks again for all your help.


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Re: Jonathan Parmley Born in Alston in 1777?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 01 August 07 13:05 BST (UK) »
Hello again..... Unfortunately I don't have any more information than I have given above. The only thing I can say is that the marriages and baptisms took place at St Augustine's Church in Alston. You would need to inspect the records to get any more such as area of residence.

As well as Carlisle & possibly Newcastle as far as I know you can view the Church records for Alston & other local Churches at the LDS family history centres.

Regards.

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Re: Jonathan Parmley Born in Alston in 1777?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 20 October 11 13:50 BST (UK) »
Hexham Courant 9th August 1873

At Loatburn, near Alston. 31st ult., John James Snowdon, son of Jacob Snowdon (deceased) aged 7.

In 1851, at High Lovelady Shield, Ann Snowden, widow (Husband Thomas died 1st quarter of 1840), landed proprietor, aged 30, sons Thomas, lead miner, aged 20, George, lead miner, aged 26, Robert, lead miner, aged 22, Jacob, lead miner, aged 19, and house servant Mary Wallace aged 16.
In 1861, at High Lovelady Shield, George Snowden (died 4th quarter of 1861?), farmer of 33 acres, aged 36, brother Jacob Snowden, lead miner, aged 29, and house servant Tamar Walton aged 25.
In 1861, at Blagill, Nenthead, William Hilton, widow (William married Margaret Stephenson 3rd May 1832 at Alston, Margaret died 19th September 1838, aged 23), lead miner, aged 55, daughters Ann 28, and Jane 19. Jane aged 26 married Robert Snowdon aged 38, 19th May 1868 at Alston, Robert died 2nd quarter of 1875, Jane Snowden married Thomas Walton 4th quarter of 1877.  In 1881, at Cocklake, Nenthead, Thomas Walton, farmer of 222 acres, aged 45, is wife Jane 40, daughter Frances Louisa 2, step children Thomas. Will. Snowden, farmers assistant, Ag. labourer, aged 19, Annie Snowden 11, Sarah Jane Snowden 7, and niece Mary Jane Walton, dairy maid, aged 18.
In 1871, at Loatburn, Nenthead, Ann Snowden, widow (Ann Hilton married Jacob Snowden 2nd quarter of 1861, Jacob died 1st quarter of 1869), landowner of 31 acres, aged 38, sons Thomas W. 9, George 7, John J. 5, and boarder William Hilton, retired lead miner, aged 65. Ann Snowden married Jonathan Parmley 2nd quarter of 1873, registered at Alston.
in 1881, at Lot Burn, Nenthead, Jonathan Parmley, farmer of 35 acres, aged 59, his wife Ann 48, sons Thomas W. Snowdon, draper and grocer 19, and George Snowdon, farmers son, aged 17.




10th June 1882
Deaths
West Nenthead, 25th ult., aged 2 years, Frances Sarah Hetherington.
Loatburn, Nenthead, Alston, 2nd inst., aged 62, Jonathan Parmley.
In 1851 at Littlegill, Garrigill, Eliza Parmley, widow (deceased husband Jonathan), farmer of 30 acres, aged 61, children John lead miner, aged 37, Jonathan lead miner, aged 29, Robert lead miner, aged 22, William lead miner, aged 20, James lead miner, aged 19.
In 1881, at Lotburn, Nenthead, Jonathan Parmley (son of Jonathan Parmley & Elizabeth Kindred), farmer of 35 acres, aged 59, his wife Ann (Snowdon, married 28th May 1873, at Nenthead) aged 48, sons Thomas W. Snowdon draper & grocer, 19, and George Snowdon 17.