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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 09 August 07 00:38 BST (UK) »
well, perhaps it might just be? BASIL SANDYS? This one was
Christenied: August 31 , 1800 Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland

( whose father's name happens to be EDWIN SANDYS, mother CATHERINE but all may be just coincidence.... )

Deaths Sept. Q 1900
William J  Cordner  age 48 -  Islington vol. 1b  page162

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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 09 August 07 00:46 BST (UK) »
Oh, yes, and forgot ( re/: Eliz. born Ire or Eng.?) to add that sometimes people remember where they were raised for Censuses and sometime they remember where they were born....That's something we've all run into...My great grandfather had, if i recall 3 different places from where he hailed...and he was a very smart man...So what comes into the brain at the time is what comes out  ;D  J.J.
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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 09 August 07 01:01 BST (UK) »
Hallo, Shelleyesq - many thanks for checking the 1901 census for Elizabeth.  I have just checked FreeBMD and found a death for Elizabeth Ann Cordner in Hampstead in 1896 aged 52 which is probably her.  I will order it and see what it tells me.


Hallo, Aghadowey
Thanks for the marriage reference

It seems odd that child Ethel appears in 1880 then disappears in 1891 (unless she went to boarding school or was visiting elsewhere) whilePauline appears in 1891 but is not shown in 1880.  Pauline does not show up on the FamilySearch index of the USA 1880 census.  It is tempting to believe that they are the same person, but this will have to wait until I can prove it.

Mary Cordner is Maria Massereene Cordner.  I have been working on the hypothesis that the Cordners came from Belfast / Antrim because a Clement K Cordner living in Antrim was agent for the Massereene estate in 1900 - it seems to be more than just a coincidence.

There is a St Louis in Michigan, but given that the family were well-off and enjoyed social status Missouri does seem more likely.  I checked the Missouri births on the link you provided but could't find anything resembling Cordner.

I am wondering if Bazee is a mistranscription of Basil.


Hallo, JJ
Mary Cordner and husband John Henry James settled in England.  Three of their children were born in Hampstead (1893-98) and one in Hendon (1905).  I don't know how Pauline fits in, but I am sure she must.

I will order the birth certificate for Elizabeth who was born in Westminster 1843 to see if the father's name is Bazee (or anything similar)


and last but not least, hallo Genealisa and Patrexjax - many thanks for your research on Auckland

It's one o'clock in the morning and I'm feeling too excited to sleep!
Philip
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Towcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY       Fakenham - WILLIAMSON       Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL       Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER
Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK        Clonakilty to Southwark -  CRISPIN      Lambeth - LYON       Hoxton - WALTERS     Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA       Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS         Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI

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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 09 August 07 01:12 BST (UK) »
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I am wondering if Bazee is a mistranscription of Basil.

Look back a few replies....


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Hallo, JJ
Mary Cordner and husband John Henry James settled in England.  Three of their children were born in Hampstead (1893-98) and one in Hendon (1905).  I don't know how Pauline fits in, but I am sure she must.

They both married a James, remember? Alice and Mary....( both had Henry for middle names, maybe evn brothers?) If They adopted one child, Sandys, perhaps they adopted Pauline as well? age fits....or maybe she just wanted to live with aunt and uncle... Perhaps she did marry a Powell, there are a couple of marriages that could match....and Pauline was not impressed with him...

Ah, conjecture, my middle name ;D

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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 09 August 07 01:47 BST (UK) »
Oh JJ, you are unstoppable (and marvellous!)

John Henry James and William Henry Trewartha James were either brothers or cousins, there is a choice of two and I haven't yet determined which.

I was writing my last message when you posted yours re Basil - great minds think alike?

My poor tired brain can't cope with the perils of Pauline so I'll try to get some sleep and think about whose child was whose tomorrow (later today!)


Many thanks again
Philip
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Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK        Clonakilty to Southwark -  CRISPIN      Lambeth - LYON       Hoxton - WALTERS     Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA       Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS         Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI

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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 09 August 07 04:06 BST (UK) »
Trewartha! Wow, Phillip you are blessed with surname hints! ;D ;)

Had fun, thanks all...   J.j.
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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #33 on: Friday 10 August 07 13:24 BST (UK) »
Don't know it this will help or just make things worse....
Edwin Moore Sandys, son of Robert, m.30 Apr.1847 St. Anne, Dublin to Fanny Bond, dau. of Thomas.
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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #34 on: Friday 10 August 07 14:36 BST (UK) »
Looking up steet names never hurts, as long as you don't go down the wrong avenue...there's clues in there galore...I'm tempted to do more...but haven't time  ;D   But then you're already hot on the case, eh aghadowey?  ;)  :D
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There's this on BMD
Deaths December Q. 1896
Elizabeth Ann Cordner 52
Hampstead District   
vol 1a  pge. 428

LDS  U.S. Social Security Death Index
Sandys Cordner
b.December 9th 1906 
Died  Jan 1974, Georgia
other Localities, Texas...
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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 11 August 07 12:35 BST (UK) »
I think I should rename this thread "The Riddle of the Sandys".

Thank you so much for all the information. I have ordered the birth certificate for Elizabeth Ann Sandys (Westminster 1843) and the death certificate for Elizabeth Cordner (Hampstead Dec 1896) to see if they are the same person.

All the best
Philip
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Towcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY       Fakenham - WILLIAMSON       Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL       Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER
Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK        Clonakilty to Southwark -  CRISPIN      Lambeth - LYON       Hoxton - WALTERS     Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA       Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS         Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI