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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #9 on: Monday 06 August 07 18:21 BST (UK) »
Missouri records to search on-line:
www.sos.mo.gov/archives/resources/birthdeath/
need to check other counties besides just St. Louis/St. Louis city.
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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #10 on: Monday 06 August 07 22:37 BST (UK) »
Just to jump in here for a minute.  I too have been looking at this family and found that there is a Pauline Dorothy Cordner, b. 1900 England, who is returning with Auckland and Bernice, in 1904, I believe.  She is located further down the passenger list.

Also found an article in The NY Times; dated August 10, 1898:

A.B. Cordner Arrested
He is charged with Forgery in Connecticut to the Extent of $3000.

New London, Conn., Aug. 9--Auckland B. Cordner of St. Louis was to-day arrested by Connecticut officers on a warrant charging forgery to the extent of $3000.  He was locked up, and will be held until requisition papers are received from Missouri.  Mr. and Mrs. Cordner arrived here early in Jun., and have occupied Actor James O'Neill's cottage, Monte Cristo.  They at once gained entree to New London swell Summer society, and entertained most lavishly.

The specific charge entered in the complaint was using the name of United States Judge Elmer B. Adams of the Eastern District of Missouri.
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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #11 on: Monday 06 August 07 22:55 BST (UK) »
That's a great find. Wonder if there's a link between Kathleen Cordner supposedly born in St. Louis (Missouri?) and what seems to be her brother using the name of a Judge from Missouri?
1909 was the last time I found Auckland Cordner on Ellis Island site but unfortunately that page came up blank when I tried to view the original manifest.
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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 07 August 07 00:53 BST (UK) »
The 1909 passenger list just says the he is a "broker" and that he is returning home (New York).
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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 07 August 07 01:00 BST (UK) »
Hello, Sorry if I butt in - however, the charges filed against the gent appear to be in a US federal court (Eastern district of Missouri) - They would have records of his indictment and possible conviction.  Pat
ARCHIBALD/ARCHBALD: Tweedmouth, NBL; CHARLTON: Ponteland, NBL;
ERRINGTON: West Denton, NBL; 
FAIRLESS: Longbenton, NBL;
HARDING: Hollinside, Co. Durham;
KING: Newcastle-on-Tyne & Berwickshire;
LOCKEY: Ryton, Whickham, Co. Durham & YKS; NICHOLSON: Ponteland, Newburn, NBL; PAXTON: Norham, NBL;
PAULIN: Berwickshire; REAY, Ponteland, NBL;
SCOTT: Norham, NBL; SELBY: Tweedmouth, NBL;
SLIGH: Berwickshire; SPOOR: Whickham & Ryton;

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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 07 August 07 15:59 BST (UK) »
In the 1920 census, "Aucland" is in New Rochelle, Westchester, New York, still an insurance agent (working on own account).  With him are his wife, Berniece, and children: Paula B, 20 b. England, immig 1903, and Sandys(son), 13, b. England, immig 1909.  It seems strange that each child was born in England by a woman living in New York who was born in Minnesota.  Could these children be adopted from one of Auckland's sisters?  In the Free BMD website, it has Alice's marriage to William Henry James.  She is listed as the following:  Alice Vernon S Cordner, Alice Vernon Sandys-Cordner.  Seem like Sandys, the son, may be related to her.  In 1910, Auckland and Bernice have been married 19 years and only have 1 child, born in England, to show for it.  Where is Sandys?  Is he still with his birth mother in England?

In 1930, Bernice is still living in New Rochelle and is listed as a widow.  Therefore, the possibility of getting a death certificate for Auckland, is highly probable.  He has to die between 1920 and 1930, most probably in New Rochelle, Westchester, New York.   I also found Marriage licenses for both Paula P (1924), and Sandys (1926) in New Rochelle.

A final thought, with Auckland being such an unusual name, I looked for the frequency of it in England and there are a lot of them.  Could Elizabeth's maiden name be "Auckland"?
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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 07 August 07 16:11 BST (UK) »
Hello all, To obtain a copy of the death cert, you might try www.RAOGK (Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness) and see if they have a volunteer for Westchester Co., NY to assist you.   Pat
ARCHIBALD/ARCHBALD: Tweedmouth, NBL; CHARLTON: Ponteland, NBL;
ERRINGTON: West Denton, NBL; 
FAIRLESS: Longbenton, NBL;
HARDING: Hollinside, Co. Durham;
KING: Newcastle-on-Tyne & Berwickshire;
LOCKEY: Ryton, Whickham, Co. Durham & YKS; NICHOLSON: Ponteland, Newburn, NBL; PAXTON: Norham, NBL;
PAULIN: Berwickshire; REAY, Ponteland, NBL;
SCOTT: Norham, NBL; SELBY: Tweedmouth, NBL;
SLIGH: Berwickshire; SPOOR: Whickham & Ryton;

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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 07 August 07 17:08 BST (UK) »
1930 census- wonder if Auckland is really dead or if he's away somewhere (like gaol?) and Bernice listed herself as widow to explain his absence (know of a few cases where this happened).
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Re: USA births 1867,69,78
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 08 August 07 13:47 BST (UK) »
Many thanks to you all for your posts.

Auckland is by no means the first dodgy ancestor in my tree.  The Cordner family seem to specialise in running foul of the law (I wonder if that's why they emigrated).  Great-aunt Nora Ruth Cordner James (daughter of Mary Cordner) wrote a novel which was banned as being obscene.

I now have a fair amount of information on the descemndants of William Cordner and Elizabeth, but I am still hunting for Elizabeth's maiden name.  I tried a phonetic search on FreeBMD for a marriage between Auckland and Cordner, but no luck there.

The search goes on.
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