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Re: 1841-1851 lookup please
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 18 August 07 09:20 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat Colin


I am sure Joan will contact you when she sees this :)


Tricia
Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk
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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi

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Re: 1841-1851 lookup please
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 18 August 07 17:18 BST (UK) »
Thanks Tricia

It's always amazing when you find somebody researching exactly the same name at exactly the same time!

All the references for Rebecca, Esther and anything mentioning a Finch I agree with! I can add later Finch references on request!

But just going back to what I thought I had found for Job, I have been going down a completely different track...
 
The Job Hurd who I thought was Rebecca's alternative father can be found in 1841 at HO107 942 8 ff14 p21 with wife Elizabeth, not Catherine:
  Job Hurd  35[-39] Labourer
  Elizabeth do 35[-39]  Wool Picker
  Susan do  15[-19]
  Matilda do  15[-19]  Worker at Woolen Factory
  Ann do  10
  Eliza do  8
  William do  3
Address is 'Thornes Square' Frome and all born Somerset.

Again in 1851 HO107 1932 ff471 p34 he is in Frome with Elizabeth:
  Job Hurd  Head  Mar  56  Labourer  [Som't Frome]
  Elizabeth Hurd  Wife  Mar  54  Cloth worker  do do
  Eliza do  Daughter  U  17  Silk worker  do do
Address is 'Thornes Square, Butts, Frome.

Daughter Matilda is still in Frome (in Brandy Lane) as a lodger at HO107 1932 ff257 p10:
  Hurd Matilda  Boarder  U  20  No occupation  [Somerset] Frome

Elizabeth Hurd dies Mar Q 1857 in Frome which is why Job is a widower in the 1861 reference RG9 1692 ff39 p19. (By the way, Esther Hurd had married Alfred Butt Jun Q 1858 in Bath registration district):
  Alfred Butt  Head   Mar  27  Brewer & Publican  Hants Haughton
  Esther do  Wife Mar  28  Dress Maker  Som't Frome
  Alfred do  Son  1-9mo  _  do Bath
  Jane Finch  Niece  8 Scholar  Essex, Woodford
  Peter Butt  Brother  31  Brewer's Ass't  Hants Haughton
  Job Hand  Fa in law  Wid'r  81  Formerly Gardener  Som't Frome
Job's age I took as an anomaly and therefore ignored.

Matilda stays in Frome RG9 1655 ff26 p7 by herself in an area called Fromefield:
  Matilda Hurd  Head  Un  31  Silk Winder  Somerset Frome

Eliza can be found in Little Keyford RG9 1655 ff55 p8 as an unmarried housekeeper with a daughter:
  Henry Short  Head  Mar  25  Labourer in Stone Quarry  [Somerset Frome]
  Eliza Hurd  House Keeper  Un  28  Formerly at the Silk Factory  do do
  Elizabeth  Dau'r  do  3  do  do do

Job actually remarries Sep Q 1861 Martha Keeping so Job can be found with her in the 1871 census RG10 2432 ff48 p9:
  Job Hurd  Head  Mar  75  Pauper  Somerset Frome
  Martha do  Wife  Mar  66  do  do Road
They are still in the same house - Butts Square, Frome.

Esther is still in Bath with her family RG10 2491 ff45 p6:
  Alfred Butt  Head  Mar  36  Brewer  Hampshire Houghton
  Esther do  Wife  Mar  38  Dressmaker  Somerset Frome
  Alfred do  Son   11  Scholar  Somerset Bath
  Catherine do  Dau'r  9  do  do do
  Wally do  Son  4  do  do do
  Ada E do  Dau'r  2  do  do do
  Francis do  Son  6mo  _  do do

Matilda seems to marry William Beauchamp in Jun Q 1864 - haven't traced them in the 1871 census yet.

Job and Martha are still alive in 1881 RG11 2402 ff26 p8 at 7 Water Lane, Frome:
  Job Hurd  Head  Mar  82  Pauper  [Somerset Frome]
  Martha do  Wife  Mar  81  do  do do
Interestingly, two doors down at no9:
  Wm Hurd  Head  UnM  50  [Gen'l Labourer]  [Somerset Frome]
So this probably the son William aged 3 in 1841.

This Job's death is recorded Jun Q 1882, when he died apparently aged 82.

From all of this, we can tell ages were not the Hurd family's strong point! This Job was probably born around 1800 but this could be out five or so years either side! The 1861 age as mentioned above had to be ignored.

I went down this route because Job is mentioned as a gardener in 1861 and this was closer to a labourer. He was also born in Frome rather than Nunney [how far away are they?]. Rebecca's marriage certificate for March 20 1846 does not help at all as both fathers' professions are left blank and there are no obvious links to the witnesses.

Rebecca and Esther are sisters though with no known links to Job and Elizabeth. Certainly Esther is not 'at home' in 1841! Moreover the death of a Job Hurd can be found in Bath Sep Q 1861.

I suppose the only way to be certain which Job is which is to order the Bath death certificate to see who registered his death. Esther's marriage certificate might just help as well. I haven't found Esther in 1851 yet either. In the meantime I think I am going to amend my records from Job and Elizabeth to Job and Catherine! Iam now wondering whether Job [+ Elizabeth] was another son of Job [+ Catherine] - there is about 20 years between them and a family link with Little Keyford.

Thanks for provoking my complete reinvestigation of this! I would love to know details of Job and Catherine's family (IGI/parish registers?). Any other thoughts anyone?

Best wishes,

Colin
Perry Sheward Bird Finch Johnson

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Re: 1841-1851 lookup please
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 18 August 07 18:40 BST (UK) »
OK... just to clear this up.

In 1861 the newly widowed Job is still living in more or less exactly the same place in Frome with his son William at '1 Thorne's Rank' RG9 1654 ff91 p8:
  Job Hurd  Head  Wid'r  66  Collier's Labourer  [Somerset] Nunney
  William do  Son  Un  21  Mason's Labourer  do Frome

The description of the Enumeration District shows all the Frome addresses mentioned as being within it and so all are obviously interchangeable! It is an area just outside the city boundary.

So I can now totally agree that Rebecca's parents were Job and Catherine! The Job I had been pursuing may well have been Rebecca's elder brother or cousin but that is for further research.

Best wishes,

Colin
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Re: 1841-1851 lookup please
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 18 August 07 19:16 BST (UK) »
Colin - I have sent Joan a message to make sure she sees this


Tricia
Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk
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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi

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Re: 1841-1851 lookup please
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 18 August 07 19:47 BST (UK) »
Thanks Tricia - we are now in contact directly as well so hopefully we can really get the Hurd family nailed down!
Perry Sheward Bird Finch Johnson

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Re: 1841-1851 lookup please
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 18 August 07 22:54 BST (UK) »
Good luck!
Census transcriptions are Crown Copyright from www.NationalArchives.gov.uk
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Nottinghamshire,Bulwell: Bowskill, Everley, Gent, Haywood, Houghton, Wilkinson.
Nottinghamshire, Mansfield:- Baxter
Buckinghamshire: Charlesworth, Fowler
Derbyshire:Brimington:- Adams, Baxter
London: Bird, Charlesworth, Coleman, Desmoulins, Everard, Jarman, Quinton, Richards
Italy: Gioffredi

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Re: 1841-1851 lookup please
« Reply #24 on: Friday 15 April 16 08:27 BST (UK) »
Hello, are you still researching the Hurd family? and do you know about THE MURDER?? respond and I will reveal all. - Well, the little I know so far :)

Mick