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Offline Su

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What's this please
« on: Wednesday 15 December 04 15:46 GMT (UK) »
Can anybody tell me what a Chevenor holn is please?  It was an occupation on the 1881.

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Re: What's this please
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 December 04 16:20 GMT (UK) »
Its that what the transcription says, or your reading of the census image.  I suspect there might be a few letters wrong  :(
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Re: What's this please
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 16 December 04 07:12 GMT (UK) »

I have no idea Su, but it sounds more like a place name than an occupation.

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Re: What's this please
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 16 December 04 07:40 GMT (UK) »
It must be a mistranscription. I can't even guess what the first word might have been. The second word might be kiln. Was this person a pottery worker?
 
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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 16 December 04 07:41 GMT (UK) »
I tried CHEVENOR in google and got a couple of references that sounded like place names,

but one reference turned up some Nottingham Strays, in particular, this entry:
at
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/DERBYSGEN/2000-05/0958639604:
71/CHERRY STREET/17/
J/JOHN/SKINNER/HEAD/WIDR/61//FRAMEWORK KNITTER/NTT/NOTTINGHAM/
J/SOPHIA/FEARN/LODGER/M//44/LACE WORKER/DBY/EATON/
J/JOHN/FEARN/LODGER//9//COTTON WINDER/NTT/NOTTINGHAM/
J/MARY/PARSONS/LODGER/U//15/CHEVENOR/NTT/CARLTON/
J/SARAH/WALKER/LODGER/W//53/CHAIRWOMAN/NTT/NOTTINGHAM/
J/WILLIAM/WALKER/LODGER//11//ERRAND BOY/NTT/NOTTINGHAM/

so that would be Occupation.

http://www.gendocs.demon.co.uk/trades.html#C  gives this entry:

CHIFFONIER
A Ragpicker.

Given that the other occupations are to do with cloth, CHEVENOR could be an enumerator-soundex version of CHIFFONIER, which would probably be something to do with sorting cloth

Any other suggestions ?
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Re: What's this please
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 16 December 04 09:23 GMT (UK) »
can you give us the full reference so we can look up the original online to see for ourselves or can you post the original so we can see?

thanks

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 16 December 04 10:12 GMT (UK) »
From a list of old occupations at http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/c.html
"Chevener:  Embroidered fine silk stockings, popular with the Victorians."

From a post on the Rootsweb Old-Words mailing list, 3 Aug 2000
"The occupation CHEVENER is a frequent subject on the lists I subscribe to.
Since my g.grandfather was a hosiery manufacturer and employed ladies to
embroider hose, I am aware that that is the definition of a chevener; One who
embroiders hose. In fact there is a photograph in Nottinghamshire records
which depicts a lady known as the Queen`s Chevener.
What puzzles me, and many others, is that the definition does not appear in
modern dictionaries, and that the word sometimes appears in old documents as
CHEVENIER which tends to make people assume that it is French.
I would be very grateful if anyone could tell me the origin of the word."

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Re: What's this please
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 16 December 04 10:16 GMT (UK) »
.... and from that same site:

Chiffonnier (with 2 n's)  Wig maker 

Bit of a difference from "Ragpicker" on http://www.gendocs.demon.co.uk/trades.html#C  !!
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 16 December 04 11:32 GMT (UK) »

Maybe 'holn' should be hose.  :-\
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