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[audrey]

Hi is anyone out there familiar with naming patterns I have a brick wall and I wonder if I could solve it another way hear is my puzzle

Mary Douglas born Scotland             John Sewell born Carlyle
            4 sons
 1.  James
 2. John
3.  WILLIAM
 4. Robert
can any body work out from that what was Marys fathers name  and what was Johns
thanks
audrey

[Welsh Jen]

I do not personally know  but these may help you:

http://www.twicelovedtreasures.com/new_page_5.htm

http://www.ednet.co.uk/~jeanmoore/names.html

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~scottish/ScottishNamingPatterns.html

http://members.shaw.ca/pitblado.genealogy/wmanne/genpattern.htm

[SS from The Rhondda]

First Son is named for the Father's Father
Second Son is named for the Mothers Father
Third Son is named for the Father's Grandfather, Fraternal
Fourth Son is named for the Mothers Grandfather, Maternal
Fifth Son is named for the Fathers Grandfather, Maternal
Sixth Son is named for the Mothers Grandfather, Fraternal
Seventh thru tenth Sons are named for the Fathers Great Grandfathers
Tenth thru Fourteenth Sons for the Mothers Great Grandfathers

First Daughter is named for the Mothers mother
Second Daughter is named for the Fathers Mother, Maternal
Third Daughter is named for the Mothers Grandmother, Fraternal
Fourth Daughter is named for the Fathers Grandmother, Fraternal
Fifth Daughter is named for the Mothers Grandmother, Maternal
Sixth Daughter is named for the Fathers Grandmother
Seventh thru tenth Daughter are named for the Mothers, Maternal Great Grandmothers
Tenth Thru fourteenth Daughter for the Fathers Great Grandmothers

Wouldn't it be great if all our ancestors stuck to this rule !

[Geoff of Devon]

Well, if it follows that rule (very unlikely but possible), that means:
Mary's father was John, whose father was Robert.
John's father was James, whose father was William.

Bet a fiver it doesn't work, but then a nods as good as a wink, eh?

[audrey]

Geoff you could well be right I think my ancestors could see into the future and decidered to make things as difficult as possible to track them down
audrey

[Boongie Pam]

There are different naming patterns.  In the South of Scotland there are 2 main ones I've found.

the one that Rhonda posted or:

If the child was male
His forename would be for
1st child - the father’s father
2nd child – the mother’s father
3rd child – the father
subsq.children – the father’s brothers
                           the mother’s brothers
                           brothers-in-law
                           friends/uncles

If the child was female
Her forename would be for
1st child – the mother’s mother
2nd child – the father’s mother
3rd child  - the mother
subsq.children – the mother’s sisters
                           the father’s sisters
                           sisters-in-law
                           friends/aunts

This would mean that James could be John's father and John could be Mary's father.  Without knowing the years of the children's births I can't say with certainly if this likely.  I only use the naming conventions if the children are born soon after marriage and a couple years apart.

Pam
 

[Nick Carver]

One spanner to be thrown in the works. If the grandfather's were both John and their fathers in turn were also John, which is not an impossible scenario, there is no information in the naming convention to help in any way shape or form. Sadly people didn't pay close enough attention to the names of their intended spouse's fathers and grandfathers before taking the plunge. It is sooo selfish of them.

[suey]

Blimey Audrey ! if you're not confused after reading that lot then I am   

Add to all that if any of yours are like some of mine who were named after fathers, grandfathers, mothers etc: and because they all had the same names later decided to call themselves something different altogether     - good luck
Suey