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Re: Kilbarrack Burial Ground
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 15 June 17 19:33 BST (UK) »
James Fitzpatrick died at 125 Dunluce Road,Clontarf,12th Nov 1952 a bachelor,the informant was a Mary Ryan who also looked after his interment in Grave E 5416 same number as Rose and John
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1952/04478/4174862.pdf

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Re: Kilbarrack Burial Ground
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 25 June 17 12:32 BST (UK) »
Dathai, I have just returned from holiday and am delighted to have the info you have given me.  I had already contacted the burial ground and they were able to give me info on John and Rose, but said they had no information on James of Christopher.   They also told me Rose was married when she died, when in fact, she was widowed.

It was sad to see that John died in a mental hospital and that Christopher was an inmate of 4 nth Brunswick Street.   Was that a hospital or a hostel or maybe even a workhouse?   On Rose's death certificate there is the letter R on the margin beside her name, does this have a significance?

I note James lived in Clontarf - it this near Raheny?   I suspect Mary Ryan, the informant, was his landlady.   I can remember my grandmother going over to Dublin for his funeral.

Now that I have this information it has given me the urge to get back to tracing my Irish roots.   I had given up after hitting too many brick walls.   I have a marriage for a Rose Connolly and Christopher Fitzpatrick  on 16 May 1875, which I hope is them.    Christopher's father is shown as John and mother as Margaret (no surname), Rose's father is shown as Cornelius and mother as Mary (no surname).

How would I be able to find out if Christopher or Rose had any siblings, who would be aunts and uncles to my late mother?

I can't thank you enough for your help and interest and hope that I can eventually find a contact with my Irish family.

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Anne

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Re: Kilbarrack Burial Ground
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 25 June 17 14:13 BST (UK) »
Raheny to Clontarf
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kar/

4 Nth Brunswick seems to have been the North Dublin Union
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000101788/

where did the marriage in 1875 take place

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Re: Kilbarrack Burial Ground
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 25 June 17 14:46 BST (UK) »
I see the marriage it looks like Christopher was from Johnstown,Finglas his father is dead and mother at Johnstown ?   Rose's parents might both be dead
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.michans_mf_1856-1888_ma_0497


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Re: Kilbarrack Burial Ground
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 25 June 17 18:21 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that info.   I have now found that Christopher died in a Workhouse, so presumably he was homeless.   He was shown on the 1901 census at the family home but Rose was Head of the household on the 1911 census.

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Re: Kilbarrack Burial Ground
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 25 June 17 20:11 BST (UK) »
My great gran also died in the workhouse but she was'nt homeless.''Workhouse''seems to make people think that a person was destitute because they are in there it was just a hospital and my great grandfather who appears on the census was in the workhouse before and after the census simply because he was ill.
Christopher's death cert says he was 2 days in hospital.

1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Howth/Foylands/1270340/

1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Howth/Raheny_Town/7441/

I believe this would be Christopher in 1911 there is no one other than your Christopher to match him age wise in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Howth/Sutton_South/20781/
if he is indeed from Meath that might explain why you cant find any siblings for him in Dublin.

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Re: Kilbarrack Burial Ground
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 27 June 17 16:25 BST (UK) »
I did see the 1911 census for Christopher Fitzpatrick but I dismissed it because of the following discrepancies -

1901 Census                                                  1911 Census

Christopher is shown as 5o years of age           Christopher is shown as 63 years of age
Christopher's place of Birth - Co Dublin            Christopher's place of Birth - Co Meath
Christopher can read only                               Christopher can read and write

If he was homeless and living rough / on the streets, then he would not be on the 1911 census.

When I found his entry in the Workhouse, I read about Workhouses which were for the benefit of the homeless, penniless and vagrants.   If he had still been a member of the family, why was a lair not purchased for the father.   All the other members of the family are together.

I will never know, but it is very sad.

Anne

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Re: Kilbarrack Burial Ground
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 27 June 17 16:44 BST (UK) »
you should try and get a look at the workhouse records which are available on one of the pay sites they give day of admission and probably previous admissions,there is always a little bit more info in these records.
If there was no contact with his family he would not have been buried in Kilbarrick he would have been buried in Glasnevin.

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Re: Kilbarrack Burial Ground
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 28 June 17 22:48 BST (UK) »
Hi Colvin. As Dathai's previous post says, people often went into workhouses because of an illness, it didn't mean they were necessarily homeless. Also there are often discrepancies with the ages on people between censuses, sometimes 20 or more years.