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Re: Blackstocks from Cavan?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 07 March 09 23:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jeannie and Trish

I don't know anything about a Jean marrying a Boyd, however, strangely enough, the mother of Sarah Blackstock's husband, Robert Edgar, was named Jean Boyd.  She was born (according to censuses) in the Isle of Man and married John Edgar in Stranraer in 1827.

As to James Blackstock's gravesite - I don't think there's anything to be seen now - certainly no stone or inscription either in Kirkcolm or Leswalt, and no mention in the published transcriptions that I've seen so far, although I assume they're probably in Kirkcolm - Trish, I sent you a photo that my son took there, didn't I? 

Since Blackstock is not really an Irish surname, and the fact that the vast majority seem to be based in Dumfriesshire, Cumbria and Argyll, my pet theory is that "our" Blackstocks were only passing through Ireland and are probably descended from planters.  I would dearly love to be able to prove it, but it so far eludes me.

Jeannie - does the Bible shed any light on the Irish connection at all, and is there a reference to James and Margaret's putative marriage in Donaghadee?  Having spent most of today in the Mitchell Library in Glasgow, trawling through the OPRS, I am coming to the conclusion that couples who had ommitted to get properly married trotted out " Actually we got married  a few months ago in Belfast/Donaghadee/Ireland and here's a note to prove it" !  I reckon someone was doing a roaring trade on the quayside helping couples to avoid possible censure by the church authorities!

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Re: Blackstocks from Cavan?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 08 March 09 21:21 GMT (UK) »
Trish and Sheila,
The bible's print date is 1808 and printed in Glasgow; however there is no entries relating to family events. There is a handwritten note that reads James Cafry his watch (a number)  bought November 1, 1836 price 4 pounds bought off Mr. Sprat Saintfield.
I found the Scottish Parish Records where James and Margaret appeared before McKean stating they had married in Donaghadee,  Inncast or Inn East,  dated in 1827.  I have been curious about their marriage in Ireland as well; the Moffat name seems to be from Dumfrieshire.  You ladies have a better understanding of this; my part of the world isn't as old as yours!
I do have a copy of James Blackstocks death certificate.  My grandmother, Margaret Ross Thompson was the daughter of Jane Blackstock and James Kennedy Ross Thompson (his family came from Inverness).  She was born in Cairnbowie part of Kirkcolm parish.  Peter Maitland and James Thompson built ships in Glasgow together according to family folklore.  The Jean Boyd being the mother of Robert Edgar would make sense.  I can imagine all those sisters and their families a close pack; my grandmother lived to 97 years of age and her oral history may not have been as accurate. 
Are you two related to William Blackstock?  Did he also live in Kirkcolm and when did he die?
Thanks so much for your information,
Jeannie

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Re: Blackstocks from Cavan?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 09 March 09 19:50 GMT (UK) »
Jeannie

Trish is a descendant of William Blackstock and I am descended from James.  My gg grandmother was Sarah Blackstock, daughter of James and Margaret, who married Robert Edgar.  William Blackstock died 13th May 1877 in Kirkcolm.
Quite a few of the Blackstock family moved up to Whiteinch in Partick, Glasgow from the late 1850's on and lived pretty close by to each other.  In the 1871 census for Lochheads Back Land in Whiteinch, Peter Maitland, labourer in shipyard is listed along with his family.  HIs sons John and James are listed as Ship Carpenter and Ship Carpenter apprentice respectively.  Lodging with the family are two other apprentice ship carpenters, one of whom is James Thomson.  So it would seem he married the landlady's sister!

They all lived round the corner from the BarclayCurle Shipyard which was fairly new at that time, and the whole neighbourhood was getting pretty crowded with all the incoming labour.  There 9 people living in the Maitland house in 1871 and the house is recorded as only having 2 rooms which had windows.  9 people, 2 rooms in a back street in Whiteinch.  A far cry from the open farmland of their youth really.

The parish record you mention is actually a record of the couple declaring to the minister and the kirk session that they had been married by Mr McKean in Donaghadee in the June of the previous year i.e. 1826.  There are numerous such entries in Kirkcolm, Leswalt and Sranraer.  A lot of couples said they were married in Ireland.  Whether they actually were or not is another matter...I imagine they pitched up in Kirkcolm either already having their first child Margaret, or expecting one, and they have been required to account for themselves.

Would it be possible to see a scanned image of the receipt/note in the bible?  It's very interesting.  The Spratts were clock and watchmakers in Saintfield, Co Down, and James Caffrey was the eventual husband of James' niece Isabella, one of his sister Nancy's illegits. It'd be fascinating to know how it came to be in James Blackstock's bible. James Caffrey would have been about 16 in 1836.

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Re: Blackstocks from Cavan?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 09 March 09 21:05 GMT (UK) »
Dear Sheila,

This is so cool--my great grandmother was Jane (Jeannie as she was known) Blackstock. There are many Jeannies in the family.  I know of Whiteinch as my mother took photos years ago of the row of houses where Grandma lived.  Thanks for the history.
I don't know a scanner I'm sorry to say but he wrote that note at the end of the old testament on a page which was only half full of print, his writing has a bit of flourish it reads: James Cafry his watch No. 7(?)456 second line: Bought November 1, 1836 ...price symbol L under that 4 symbol s (under that 4, symbol D under that 0; next line Bought off Mr. Sprat Springfield.

Also in the bible were Glasgow Sabbath School Union, scripture Lesson Scheme, 1875 for the first quarter; another clipping was Bible lessons for the fourth quarter, 1866, Oct, Nov. and Dec.  and Appeal in connection with Special Evangelistic Services to be hled throught the Glasgow Free CHurch Presbytery, The way of Life and the Way of Death. another Dowanhill U.P. Mission, Whiteinch, meetings on Sabbath (no date).  No wonder we have ministers in the family!  Jane Blackstock married in 1878 in Whiteinch and my grandmother's note written in 1971 said this was James Blackstock's bible--wondering if he spent time in Glasgow or he gave it to her to use.
Do you have much information on the other siblings of Sarah?  From the oral history some died before adulthood,  Wm Blackstock was lost at sea, Mary Stevenson Blackstock-do you know why that middle name, same with John White Blackstock. Does the name Matthew White ring a bell?
I have a photo of my gr-grandmother, as a young woman, she was pretty and plump and lived to the age of 91, buried in Vancouver, British Columbia. 
Thank you for your information.
Jeannie
 


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Re: Blackstocks from Cavan?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 27 September 09 11:20 BST (UK) »
Trish and Sheila
Just discovered parents of my GG Grandfather William was the son of James Blackstock and Margaret Moffat. William emigrated to Tasmania in 1857 aged 21. Married Rosina Kelvie  1859. Rosina was born 1838 in Glasgow.
I have quite a bit of information on the Australian descendants of William Blackstock.
I just need to digest you previous posts
Kindest regards
Steve Blackstock
Western Australia

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« Reply #14 on: Thursday 01 October 09 20:54 BST (UK) »
My uncle did a lot of genealogy on the Blackstocks interviewing my grandma and he noted that William Blackstock was lost at sea--glad to hear he survived, married and continued the lineage down under!
Jeannie

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Re: Blackstocks from Cavan?
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 12 November 15 15:52 GMT (UK) »
I know I'm rather late to this party, but I'm very interested in James Blackstock Thompson (b. 1879) to James Thompson and Jane Blackstock. James Blackstock was the first minister of the church I am now the minister of, near Swansea. I'd love to find out more about his religious life, and what happened to him after he emigrated to Canada. I've been able to track his son, James Kennedy Ross Thompson through the records, but not him. Please get in touch if you think you can help (or if you'd like more information from me).
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Re: Blackstocks from Cavan?
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 12 November 15 19:48 GMT (UK) »
For reference-

James Blackstock Thompson born 1879 Glasgow-
https://www.bethel-clydach.co.uk/about-us/history/trinity-chapel/

My daughter lived not far away in Cwnrhydyceirw  ;)
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Blackstocks from Cavan?
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 12 November 15 21:08 GMT (UK) »
For reference-

James Blackstock Thompson born 1879 Glasgow-
https://www.bethel-clydach.co.uk/about-us/history/trinity-chapel/


That's my church's website, and why I'm interested in James  :).

My daughter lived not far away in Cwnrhydyceirw  ;)
It's a small world!  :D
<a href="http://bit.ly/pc-ba">Baker</a>: Sussex 1750-1900
<a href="http://bit.ly/pc-co">Cock/Cocks</a>: Norfolk/Suffolk 1790-1850
<a href="http://bit.ly/pc-go">Good</a>: Somerset 1750-1850
<a href="http://bit.ly/pc-ma">Mabbs</a>: Sussex 1700-1800, Surrey 1800-1850
<a href="http://bit.ly/pc-pe">Pells</a>: Suffolk 1720-1850
<a href="http://bit.ly/pc-st">Stokes</a>: Essex 1750-1850
<a href="http://bit.ly/pc-ta">Tadd</a>: Sussex 1700-1850
<a href="http://bit.ly/pc-ye">Yeo</a>: Somerset 1550-1850