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Oh no! Not another mystery GUEST
« on: Tuesday 16 October 07 15:27 BST (UK) »
Just when I thought I'd sorted out my Suffolk Guest family (cf. this thread), along comes another mystery person to bite me ...

I was feeling quite pleased with myself that I'd finally found Caroline Guest (born Bury St Edmunds 17 Jul 1812), by then Caroline Dodd on the 1871 census (RG10/2544; Folio: 60; Page: 4) (though who this Dodd man was and when they married is still a mystery - can't find it on the IGI or familyhistoryonline.net).  She was living in Clifton, Bristol (yes, I know that's not Suffolk, bear with me please ...), which wasn't too much of a surprise, as her brother Charles also ended up there, apparently with some success as a homeopathic chemist.

What was surprising was what Caroline was doing in Bristol: she was a "companion" to one Harriet Guest.  "Whaaatt??," I exclaimed, "who the heck is she?!?!".

Harriet Guest is a widow, born c. 1798, Stroud, Glos (yes, I know that's not Suffolk either, bear with me please ...) and following her through previous censuses, I found that she had been married to an Edward Guest.

On the 1861 census, Edward and Harriet are living at 8 Portland Place, Clifton, Bristol.  He's an army lieutenant and gives his birth as 1785 in "Bury".  (RG9/1727; Folio: 74; Page: 27)

On the 1851 census, Edward and Harriet are living at 8 Weymouth Street, Lambeth.  He's an army lieutenant and gives his birth as 1787 in Ipswich, Suffolk   (HO107/1568; Folio: 281; Page: 15)

Can't find them for definite on the 1841 census.  There's a possible (HO107/688; Book: 10; Folio: 32; Page: 16) living in Chelsea , age 53 (i.e. 1788), not born in Middlesex, but he's merely a Messenger and is married to an Ann.  Harriet could have been a second marriage, and this Edward & Ann Guest do have a daughter called Caroline ... <shrug>

The only Edward Guest I can find in the London Gazette as a lieutenant is buying his commissions (in the 1830s, I think - forgot to note the details), and the fellow residents of the 1841 Edward just mentioned are labourers, gardeners and similar - not the sort to be buying commissions.

A birth of mid 1780s in Bury for Edward Guest makes it entirely possible that he's a previously unknown son of Ralph Guest and Sarah Prick, who were living in Bury St Edmunds at the time.  That would make him Caroline's uncle, and the position of companion to a widowed aunt would be entirely plausible.  Ipswich makes it less likely.  But Suffolk isn't exactly over-run with Guests.

I'd appreciate additional pairs of eyes, in case I've missed any possible records:
Can anyone find the birth of this Edward Guest 1785-7? The baptism would probably be at Bury St James'.
Or a possible marriage to a Harriet (not that that will help pin him down much)
Can anyone find Caroline Guest marrying a Mr Dodd?  She's married by the 1841 census, so a date between 1828 and 1841, probably between 1828 and 1837, as I can't see her on freebmd.  Possibly not Suffolk though, as the family seem to have left for London at or around the time of her father Charles' bankruptcy in 1830.  From Jan 1827 to Apr 1830 they were in Ixworth.

As I say, just when I thought I'd got this lot tidied up ...

Thanks for reading, and even more thanks for any pointers!


Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson
Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith
East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton
East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge
Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens
Marylebone & Sussex: Cole
London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman
Bowland: Marsden, Noble
Shropshire: Guest

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Re: Oh no! Not another mystery GUEST
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 24 July 08 15:43 BST (UK) »
Just being very cheeky, and bumping this up, just in case anyone can help.
Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson
Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith
East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton
East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge
Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens
Marylebone & Sussex: Cole
London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman
Bowland: Marsden, Noble
Shropshire: Guest

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Re: Oh no! Not another mystery GUEST
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 24 July 08 16:19 BST (UK) »
Possible marriage,

Harriet GRAZEBROOK
Spouse:  Edward GUEST
Marriage:  20 DEC 1831   Saint Thomas The Apostle, Exeter, Devon

and christening,

Harriet GRAZEBROOK
Christening:  07 JUN 1797   Stonehouse, Gloucester
Age at Christening:  1   
Father:  Thomas GRAZEBROOK
Mother:  Louisa

Stonehouse is about 3 miles from Stroud :)


Possibly them in 1841 Channel Islands Census,

1841  HO107/1461/13  f.41  p.33  St Helier, Jersey
Parade
Edward Place No;2
//
George Le FEUVRE   20    Cabinet on    Y
Margaret    "          20                      Y
Ann PURKINS          15    F.S              E
/
Edward GUST         50    Army h.p.      E
Harriet  "               40                       E
//


Regards
Daisy
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Re: Oh no! Not another mystery GUEST
« Reply #3 on: Friday 25 July 08 08:10 BST (UK) »
Marriages on Boyds index.


1816 / Guest  Edward / Collins  Ann / Kensington St Mary Abbots / Middlesex 


1806 / GUEST  EDWD / HERBERT  ANNE / FAIRFORD  /GLOUCESTERSHIRE 


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Re: Oh no! Not another mystery GUEST
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 14 August 08 15:37 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much Daisy and Sue.  Apologies for taking so long to reply - been busy with another branch of the tree!

Daisy's Grazebrook find and the 1841 on Jersey look very promising.  I'll try a lookup request for that marriage on the Devon board.

The 1816 Edward Guest = Ann Collins marriage is going to be the couple I'd found on the 1841 in  Chelsea, I think.

But I still really need to find Edward's baptism to see how he fits in.

I can see I'm going to have to book a couple of days in Bury St Edmunds again to search the parish registers.

If the 1851 and 1861 censuses hadn't put him as born Suffolk (though it's unfortunate that he couldn't decide whether it was Bury or Ipswich ...), I'd just have put Edward down as a more distant cousin from another line of Coalbrookdale Guests, but the Suffolk connection makes me think he must be closer to my line.
Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson
Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith
East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton
East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge
Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens
Marylebone & Sussex: Cole
London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman
Bowland: Marsden, Noble
Shropshire: Guest

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Re: Oh no! Not another mystery GUEST
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 27 August 08 20:06 BST (UK) »
Hi

I had a look at Bury St Edmunds St James baptisms from 1784 to 1790 but could not see Edward Guest, sorry.

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Best wishes
Anne

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Re: Oh no! Not another mystery GUEST
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 10 September 08 02:14 BST (UK) »
Thanks Anne.

I'm afraid I must have missed the notification email of your response, so you must think I'm very rude and ungrateful, having ignored your message.  Apologies!
Lancashire: Stevenson, Wild, Holden, Jepson
Worcs/Staffs: Steventon, Smith
East London & Suffolk: Guest, Scrutton
East London: Palfreman (prev Tyneside), Bissell, Collis, Dearlove, Ettridge
Herts: Camac, Collis, Mason, Dorrington, Siggens
Marylebone & Sussex: Cole
London & Huntingdonshire: Freeman
Bowland: Marsden, Noble
Shropshire: Guest

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Re: Oh no! Not another mystery GUEST
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 10 September 08 17:09 BST (UK) »
No worries!

(but I appreciate the reply  ;D)

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Re: Oh no! Not another mystery GUEST
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 09 September 09 18:17 BST (UK) »
I am looking for information on George Guest c1760-1841, transported to australia in 1777 as a part of the first fleet Ship Alexander. Came from Gloucester area.
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