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Re: Have I got the correct parents?
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 30 March 08 11:20 BST (UK) »
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

 This is a good site, but not free  - you pay for credits. There are not many Eastops in the census so might be worth a look. :)
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Re: Have I got the correct parents?
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 30 March 08 11:24 BST (UK) »
Query already on Lanarkshire board where Mary is getting help:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,295526.0.html

Gadget  :)
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Re: Have I got the correct parents?
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 30 March 08 22:09 BST (UK) »
Thanks you 2, I think you are really great helping others (like me) - you're brilliant. :)

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Re: Have I got the correct parents?
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 02 April 08 22:06 BST (UK) »
Hello Hjem
Yes, it does look as though we are tracing the same Owen  :)!  Wow! this is fun. Do you think we are related? My mum Violet Jones - daughter of Arthur William Jones) was brought up in a childrens home and never met her father or knew much about him - that was partly what prompted my interest in family history (mum's family contrasts slightly with my dad's - he was one of 15 - I needed a family tree program just to keep track of current relatives!) Back to the subject in hand - if you have any knowledge of Arthur William (did he become a millionaire LOL!!) I would love to know!
I know he was in the Navy in WW1 -a stoker, that he was 5' 3", dark-haired and fair skinned with a mole on his chin - that was  from his navy record at Kew! When he came out of the navy he became a silversmith. Whilst in the Navy he kept absconding! I am looking further into that.....
I hope we do tie up somewhere in our trees...can't wait to hear ...best wishes..
Katy

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« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 02 April 08 22:10 BST (UK) »
Hello Hjem, here is what I have on Owen - so far ...

Owen JONES, b. 1807 in Ruthin, Denbigh, Wales.  He married Lydia CLARK, married 31-JAN-1831 in King's Lynn, Nfk, b. 1807 in NFK.
I.   Joseph William JONES, b. 1838 in NFK.  He married Mary Ann Cross, married 25-Dec-1858 in Burnham Westgate, Nfk, b. 1842 in Burnham Westgate, Nfk, (daughter of william Cross and Sophia Chaplin).
   A.   Arthur Owen JONES, b. 9 May 1867 in 26 Craven Street.  He married Sophia Clifton, b. ABT 1866 in Bethnal Green, (daughter of William Clifton and Sophia Unknown).
      1.   Sophia Jones, b. 1889 in Shoreditch.
      2.   Robert Jones, b. 1892 in Shoreditch.
      3.   Arthur William Jones, b. 21 Aug 1895 in Haggerston, London.  He married Margery Blight, b. 6 Dec 1897 in Plymouth, (daughter of William Blight and Adelaide Mary Pollard (2)) d. 31 Jan 1946 in Surbiton, Surrey.
         a.   Margery Eileen Sophia Jones, b. 8 Feb 1918 in City Road, Shoreditch.  She married Harry Street, b. 1910.
   KATY’S MUM      b.   Violet Elsie Jones, b. 11 Jan 1923 in Hoxton, London.  She married Leonard Arthur Cox, b. 18 Aug 1920 in Teddington, (son of Sidney Arthur Cox and Alice Helena Paice) d. 13 Jun 1968 in Feltham, Middlesex.
         c.   Arthur William Jones, b. 25 Apr 1925 in Shoreditch, London.  He married Sheila Mary Boodie, b. 18 Sep 1926 in Burton-on-Trent.
   B.   Joseph Jones, b. 1869 in Mdx.
   C.   Leonard JONES, b. 1860 in NFK.
   D.   Daughter JONES, b. 1856 in NFK.
II.   John JONES, b. 1833 in NFK.
III.   Richard Owen JONES, b. 1835 in Sedgeford, Nfk.  He married Emma Harcourt (?), married 24-Dec-1848 in Birmingham, b. 1831.
   A.   Grace Jones, b. 1867 in Shoreditch.
   B.   Richard O. H. Jones, b. 1869 in Dalston, Mdx.  He married Adelaide Amelia Andrew, married 1893 in Islington (district).
      1.   James Jones, b. 1896.
      2.   John Jones, b. 1895.
      3.   Mary A Jones, b. 1897.
IV.   Robert JONES, b. 1840.  He married Emily ?, b. 1838 in Reading, Berks.
V.   Ebenezer JONES, b. 1844 in NFK.  He married Sophia, b. 1845 in Stibbard, Nfk.
VI.   Owen H Jones, b. 1848 in Thornham, Nfk.  He married Margaret.
   A.   Margaret E Jones, b. 1871 in Hackney.
 


 

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Re: Have I got the correct parents?
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 02 April 08 22:18 BST (UK) »

Hello again Hjem,
We 'found' some other 2nd cousins purely by accident when we went to see my Granny's home and they went a coupleenbigh Record Officeof weeks later and the chap who lives there put us in touch with each other. That must have been thrilling. How does your granny connect with Owen?
I contacted the Denbighshire Records Office   and have a copy of the Pedigree of a Rev Richard Jones of Ruthin - don't get too excited - it is very scrappy looking - as though done on the back of an envelope! and only covers a couple of generations. I also have a newspaper article about Rev Richard Jones -very interesting readi ng and I will get  a copy of it for you over the weekend.
I am at full-time work now (after a  break) and it takes up much of my research time! LOL!!!
bye for now
best wishes
Katy

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Re: Have I got the correct parents?
« Reply #33 on: Friday 04 April 08 20:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Katy
well you've got much more than us!! We have Owen married Lydia Clark (parents John & Ann Clark of Lynn - Kings Lynn) on 31.1.1831. census forms for 1841 1851 1861(Alfred & Robert only) 1881, 1891 and 1901.  Then from Mum and Baptism records we have their children John bap 1834 Sedgeford, Richard Owen b 31.5.1835 bap June 1835, then Richard Owen again along with Joseph William bap July 8th 1838 (no record of a Richard dying and census has Richard as 3 yrs older than Joseph!! obviously done to confuse us!) both born in Sedgeford and Mum thinks Richard may have been a watchmaker, then Robert Samuel bap 7.4.1840 Mum thinks poss church minister born Thornham, Ebenezer Calvin bap 14.1.1844 Thornham, Alfred Isaac 25.1.1846 Thornham Mum thought poss a blacksmith and maybe married Ann Mason (he & Robert were lodging with Mason family in 1861, Owen Henry bap 9.1.1848 Thornham married Margaret Eastop from Glasgow (died Birmingham c1934, Margaret died 1928/9 in Belvedere) and Mum thought there was a girl Christine who died in infancy - we could find no record of this.  I 'come from' Owen Henry, they had 10  girls and 1 boy - their 6th child was Elizabeth Jane born 25.11.1881 at 11 Edith Street Haggerston, Married Frederick Thomas Burr on 2.3.1902, had 5 children Mum being the youngest, and died on 15.10.1972.
Owen & Margaret had:- Margaret 1871 m Harry Burr (Grannys bro in law) 8 children Harry Alec Maggie & ?????

                                      Amelia 1873 m Walter Griffin  1 child Walter
                                      Lydia Jean 1875 m Alec Kelly had Lyddie, Maggie, Alec & Bill
                                      Harriet A 1878 m Ted Brockman had Will, Maggie, Dolly (Edith), Robbie & Charley
                                      Owen Henry 1880 m Ethel Blainey  adopted 3 then had 2 of their own
                                       Elizabeth Jane (Granny) 1881 m Fred Burr had Frederick, Elizabeth Rose (Rosie), Victor,
                                                                                                           Lyddie and Freda (Mum)
                                       Alice Louise 1885 at Chiswick m George Coates  had 5  Margaret, George ?    ?    ?   Alice was booked to go on the Titanic but missed it - Luckily!!
                                       Edith 1887 Silvertown Essex m Frank Smith  had Doris & Joan  (I don't envy them looking for Smiths and Jones!!)
                                        Grace Joan 1890 m Alan Partridge had 1 stepson
                                         Gertrude 14.11.1893  Erith m Gilbert Ashbee in 1914 had Tommy (15.3.14), Winnie (11.1.16)
                                          and Margaret (19.5.33) who died at 13.  It is Winnie's son we are in contact with.
                                    and Ethel Oct 1897 Erith  m Jim Tappin  had David.

Someone had a Grace as Mum used to work with Auntie Gracie and cousin Gracie in the Holloway Pleating Company in Holloway Road London.
The first 6 of Owen & Margarets children were born at Haggerston.

Mum also thought that 1 of the 7 Jones Brothers (O & L's) was the Jones ot Jones and Dunn Hatmakers -  not unreasonable as Lydia was a bonnet maker (or is that clutching at straws!!)

Oh how I wish I'd payed more attention to Mum and Granny's 'ramblings' when they knew what they were talking about - Granny would have known exactly who did what, where and when.  Still we're getting there and with your bits, Maurice's bits and our bits we are at least 'getting the picture'.

Don't think it helps your personal search but hopefully will fill in some gaps, as yours has done for us.   As you've been to Kew do you live near there?  We do.

Chat later
Mary

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Re: Have I got the correct parents?
« Reply #34 on: Friday 04 April 08 21:31 BST (UK) »
Phew! Mary that must have taken ages for you to type. I like your pun about clutching at straws and bonnet maker LOL! And yes I do live near Kew - wouldn't it be funny if we had passed each other in the street. In fact - if you like - we could meet up - I'll send you a personal msg with more details - don't want all the Jones rootschatters knocking on more door for  a brew - not that I would mind - no offence meant!
Katy

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« Reply #35 on: Friday 04 April 08 22:18 BST (UK) »
Hello Mary
here is another listing for your perusal - this time with all the children that I have found:
1.   Owen JONES, b. 1807 in Ruthin, Denbigh, Wales, (son of Richard Jones and Mary ?). He married Lydia CLARK, married 31-JAN-1831 in King's Lynn, Nfk, b. 1807 in NFK.
            Children:
        2.   i   Joseph William JONES b. 1838.
            ii   John JONES, b. 1833 in NFK.
        3.   iii   Richard Owen JONES b. 1835.
            iv   Robert JONES, b. 1840.  He married Emily ?, b. 1838 in Reading, Berks.
            v   Ebenezer JONES, b. 1844 in NFK.  He married Sophia, b. 1845 in Stibbard, Nfk.
        4.   vi   Owen H Jones b. 1848.

Second Generation

2.   Joseph William JONES, b. 1838 in NFK.  He married Mary Ann Cross, married 25-Dec-1858 in Burnham Westgate, Nfk, b. 1842 in Burnham Westgate, Nfk, (daughter of william Cross and Sophia Chaplin).
            Children:
        5.   i   Arthur Owen JONES b. 9 May 1867.
            ii   Joseph Jones, b. 1869 in Mdx.
            iii   Leonard JONES, b. 1860 in NFK.
            iv   Daughter JONES, b. 1856 in NFK.

3.   Richard Owen JONES, b. 1835 in Sedgeford, Nfk.  He married Emma Harcourt (?), married 24-Dec-1848 in Birmingham, b. 1831.
            Children:
            i   Grace Jones, b. 1867 in Shoreditch.
        6.   ii   Richard O. H. Jones b. 1869.

4.   Owen H Jones, b. 1848 in Thornham, Nfk.  He married Margaret.
            Children:
            i   Margaret E Jones, b. 1871 in Hackney.

Third Generation

5.   Arthur Owen JONES, b. 9 May 1867 in 26 Craven Street.  He married Sophia Clifton, b. ABT 1866 in Bethnal Green, (daughter of William Clifton and Sophia Unknown).
            Children:
            i   Sophia Jones, b. 1889 in Shoreditch.
            ii   Robert Jones, b. 1892 in Shoreditch.
        7.   iii   Arthur William Jones b. 21 Aug 1895.

6.   Richard O. H. Jones, b. 1869 in Dalston, Mdx.  He married Adelaide Amelia Andrew, married 1893 in Islington (district).
            Children:
            i   James Jones, b. 1896.
            ii   John Jones, b. 1895.
            iii   Mary A Jones, b. 1897.

Fourth Generation

7.   Arthur William Jones, b. 21 Aug 1895 in Haggerston, London.  He married Margery Blight, b. 6 Dec 1897 in Plymouth, (daughter of William Blight and Adelaide Mary Pollard (2)) d. 31 Jan 1946 in Surbiton, Surrey.
            3 Children: