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Re: antrim militia 1850's
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 17 January 08 22:07 GMT (UK) »
Hee hee

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Re: antrim militia 1850's
« Reply #10 on: Friday 18 January 08 12:06 GMT (UK) »
Capt. Vito,

Here is what I found at Kew for you:

[Manic day - the building is being refurbished (to accomodate records moving from the FHC), and is closing all next week, so it was mobbed!]

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UKNA Doc: WO 13/2593
Paylists of the Militia: Antrim Rifles
Item 1: APR-JUN 1859
Battn based at : Aldershot

[Lots of recruits joining, most from Belfast.]

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P.53  Privates Pay

1278 OBrien, Francis
Paid for 16 Days, Absent 13th-15th April
1st Muster - Volunteered to 62nd Regt on 20th.


P.101 Transfers, etc.

P.103 & 104

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Reg. No. :1278
Name: Francis OBrien
Place of Birth: Moneymore
Trade When Enlisted: Printer
Date of Enlistment: 25th Jan 1856
Reason became ineffective: Volunteered to 62nd Regt. at Woolwich 20th April.

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UKNA Doc: WO 13/2590
Paylists of the Militia: Antrim Rifles
Item 5: JAN-MAR 1856
Battn based at : Aldershot

[Lots of men being transferred over in to a variety of Foot and Royal Artillery Regts.]


P. 73 Recruits

P.74

Reg. No.: 1278
Name: Francis OBrien
Date of Enlistment: 25th Jan 1856
Age: 18
Height: 5 ft  3 1/2 ins
Enlisted: Belfast
Quarterly Bounty: 3s 4d
Fee for Attesting: 1/-
Bringing Money: 5/-
Bounty: 20/-
Total for Each Man: £1 6s -


[1276 Patrick MCallow (18 1/2) and 1346 William Park (19) enlisted at Belfast on the same day.  1170 Peter OBrien and 1139/1971 A. Patrick OBrien had enlisted at Dublin during the previous quarter.]

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UKNA Doc ID: WO 12/7223
Paylist of the 62nd Foot
JAN-MAR 1868
Battn based at : Cork

About a third of the men were listed as not being re-engaged.

P.73
That quarter about 40 men were subject to pay forfeiture, and 9 had been sentenced anew, as a result of Courts Martials.

Regt. No.: 355
Name: Francis  OBrien
Period of Forfeiture: 60 days
Date from which it commenced: 3 Feby
Brought Forward: 58 days
Amount: £7 4s 10d
Remarks: In M Prison

P44.

355 Francis OBrien
In Military Prison 21 Days
In Confinement 10 days
No. days pay forfeited 31 days
Reason for absence from Muster: In confinement C Machal  1 - 31 March

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Haven't been able to locate the details of the CM charge and sentence yet.
It may be amongst the GCM records.

Some sentences did include being discharged from service ["D"].
[Being a Private, he couldn't simply be demoted in rank.]


He'd been in trouble earlier:

UKNA Doc: WO 13/2592
Paylists of the Militia: Antrim Rifles
Item 2: OCT-DEC 1858
Battn based at : Woolwich

P. 47

Reg. No.: 1278
Name: Francis OBrien

3rd Muster: G. Room 30th Novr
  BC (?) No.: 1st Decr
  Sentenced to 42 days in Prn with forfeiture of 1s per day for 3 months

[P. 73  1170 Peter OBrien confined for 32 days, for Military or Civil offence.]

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So, there's lots of personal info that can be had (on all those lovely Co. Antrim folks) in those records ...

Off to have a large fry, and spend my beer money on some Youngs products, in the Waggon & Horses!

Pip pip!

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Re: antrim militia 1850's
« Reply #11 on: Friday 18 January 08 12:34 GMT (UK) »
Dear capt jock fantastic Im off now to raid the moneymore records , cant thank you enough. If I can help you by looking at proni records let me know.

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Re: antrim militia 1850's
« Reply #12 on: Friday 18 January 08 12:36 GMT (UK) »
Also as  a matter of interest was it spelt O'Brien or O'Brian in records as he seems to have spelt it O'Brian in marriage and census records ?

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Re: antrim militia 1850's
« Reply #13 on: Friday 18 January 08 16:53 GMT (UK) »
OBrien was used consistently throughout both regiments.
The Paymaster would have taken it from the man himself.
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WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
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EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

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Re: antrim militia 1850's
« Reply #14 on: Friday 18 January 08 20:52 GMT (UK) »
thanks just wondering was it a deliberate spelling of" O'Brian " or accident.

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Re: antrim militia 1850's
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 10 February 08 14:34 GMT (UK) »
well done Capt.

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Re: antrim militia 1850's
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 11 June 16 16:20 BST (UK) »
Good Morning,

I am coming late into this conversation. My GGGG-grandfather Alexander Markham was Quartermaster of the Antrim Rifles 28 January 1846 until 2 March 1861 when he exchanged to the Antrim Artillery. I have researched through the newspapers, gazettes and Hart's Lists. I have found a reference in the 30 May 1856 – Limerick Reporter stating that Markham had resigned (while unit was at Aldershott), yet in 13 September 1856 - The Daily Express he is still shown as Quartermaster at Carrickfergus. It should be noted that his son Alexander Macaulay Markham (my GGG-grandfather) was also a member for about 2 years of the Antrim Artillery before he joined the BCS. The elder Markham appears to have served in the Artillery until his death in 1876.
I am curious to know if the records exist for either.  I have hundreds of pages of information on A. Markham from age 40 but nothing prior. Any help would be greatly appreciated

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