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Re: Nixey Lovell and Rachel Smith mid-19th century - East Anglia?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 26 May 11 15:33 BST (UK) »
Hi Roger

Yes - we think Nixey is the son of William and Fiance Lovell, born 1813.

Rachel Smith is the daughter of Ambrose Smith and Morella/Mirelli Draper, baptised at Lowestoft, Suffolk, 5 June 1811. She died 16 September 1862 in Tranmere, Birkenhead, Cheshire.

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Re: Nixey Lovell and Rachel Smith mid-19th century - East Anglia?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 26 May 11 16:36 BST (UK) »
Does anyone know any of the names mentioned below? All are deceased and I am searching for more info on my family.

My grt grt grandfather was Samson Boss (may have went by nellie) his children Oliver, Delilah, Moellus, & Phoebe with Susie Gray. His last wife was Susannah (may have went by Janie Rowells or another name) and they had a daughter Rebecca who married Charles Boswell and they camped in Chicago around the same time period you're speaking of here. They had a son Oliver who died at the age 18. My grandmother was Nellie Boswell and was married 3 times, To a Haight, a Walter Cook (my grandfather who died before I was born, I've never even seen a photo of him) and a Murphy. I am looking for information on my grt grandfather Charles Boswell born abt 1875 (last name maybe Wainwright) who had a sister named Elizabeth who was suppose to have a casino of some sorts. Or any information on any listed here. Any Info would be greatly appreciated especially photos. Thanks! I believe Charles was from the lovell family. He states on SS record his mother was Delorany Lovell and his father Corneilous Boswell.
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Re: Nixey Lovell and Rachel Smith mid-19th century - East Anglia?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 26 May 11 17:21 BST (UK) »
Hi

Was Charles Boswell born in England or in the US? And have you found him in the census databases available online?

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Re: Nixey Lovell and Rachel Smith mid-19th century - East Anglia?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 26 May 11 18:00 BST (UK) »
I am not quite sure, his SS record say Richmond Virginia but I have been told of stories overheard of England. His wife Rebecca does have family that came from there but she was born here Indiana I am told. I found a marriage record of Delorany Lovell & Cornelious Boswell dated Feb. 6, 1861 from Manchester District. It listed Phenix Boswell as Cornelious's Father and Molyneux Lovell as Delorany's Father. But I can not be sure they are his parents and have found no other record of them together or otherwise. I was told he was born a Wainwright but raised by a Boswell. Who that Boswell is I have no idea. The only census I have found of them is in 1920 in Cleveland Ward 9, Cuyhoga, Ohio. He was with his wife Rebecca (Boss), children Robert, Camelia, Oliver, Nellie, Virginia, & Corbit (James Corbit) who are all now deceased. Nellie's SS record shows her being born in Montpelier Ind. abt 1911. She married Walter Cook and they resided in Anderson, Indiana where they are buried. I know nothing of Walter except finding him in a census living in Anderson, Indiana with a Deliety Bowell stating she was his aunt and that he had Brothers in Chicago Ill. I was also told his mothers name was Mary but I have uncovered nothing. I know where all ended up except Robert, but I bielieve he was in Ohio. Oliver Died at 18 and is buried somewhere in Indiana, I believe Indianapolis. Corbit was married to Dovie Stanley and is buried in Richmond Indiana. This is about all I have as far as records are concerned. Oh Charlie had a sister Elizabeth wether he had other siblings I am not sure.
Thanks for any help you may have!


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Re: Nixey Lovell and Rachel Smith mid-19th century - East Anglia?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 26 May 11 21:16 BST (UK) »
Hi 2shyeyes,

I’m not sure what you already have so I’m going to post what I found.


This looks to be the baptism for Cornelius
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Cornelius Boswell
 16 Apr 1834
BRAYTON,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name Felix Boswell
Mother's Name  Trinity

This would be Cornelius siblings
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900
Mordecai Boswell

26 Mar 1843
 Bunbury, Cheshire, England
Father's Name Felix Boswell
Mother's Name Trinity
 Bunbury, Cheshire, England

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
 Emmanuel Boswell

 03 Feb 1830
CLARBOROUGH,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Felix Boswell
Mother's Name: Trinity



Baptisms for Cornelius and Delorany
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Alfred Boswell
 28 Mar 1861
Sacred Trinity Church, Salford, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Cornelius Boswell
Mother's Name: Deloreine
 Old St. George, Staleybridge, Cheshire, England

Isle of Man Births and Baptisms, 1821-1911
Rhoda Anne Boswell  17 Mar 1867
SAINT MATHEWS,DOUGLAS,ISLE OF MAN,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Cornelius Boswell
Mother's Name: Delarana

It looks like Cornelius and Delorany came to the USA in 1869 before Charles was born 
New York Passenger List April 28 1869 Wm F Storer
Cornelius Boswell   28 Apr 1869   abt 1839   30   England
Delorany (Transcribed as "Deborah") Boswell   28 Apr 1869   abt 1847   22   
Elvera Boswell   28 Apr 1869   abt 1862   7
Susannah Boswell   28 Apr 1869   abt 1863   6   
Phoebe Boswell   28 Apr 1869   abt 1865   4   
Elizabeth Boswell   28 Apr 1869   abt 1868   10/12   

Delorany  must have been pregnant when she came over in 1869 with daughter Delorany.
Collection: New Jersey Births and Christenings, 1660-1980
Name: Delorain Boswell
Birth Date: 18 Jun 1869
Birthplace: Hammonton, Atlantic, New Jersey
Father's Name: Cornelius Boswell
Mother's Name: Delorain

I hope this helps. Post if you have any more information that might help with the research.

Regards,
Roger

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Re: Nixey Lovell and Rachel Smith mid-19th century - East Anglia?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 26 May 11 21:27 BST (UK) »
One other thing to mention. On the 1869 Passenger list their are other families coming over with Cornelius and Delorany. Smiths and Seeds. I read an article that was kindly given to me from Carleen F. where it mentions the Seeds and his tribe went out west first and then came back to Chicago for the World Fair in 1893. I have Seeds marrying into my Boswell/Lovell tree which also camped in Chicago in the early 1900s. You might want to search out West prior to 1893 for records.

Best,
Roger

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Re: Nixey Lovell and Rachel Smith mid-19th century - East Anglia?
« Reply #15 on: Friday 27 May 11 10:14 BST (UK) »
I must say I am very grateful for your help. It is possible then that he was born in West Virginia. I have been told that he spoke of the trees in California so going out west makes sense. I am still a bit baffled by the name Wainwright which has been almost guaranteed to me that it is true. There was concern by Charlie as whether to put the name Wainwright on his son Oliver's Headstone when he died at a young age, 18 I am told. But he went with Boswell by what I am told but I have yet to find his grave. I have been guided toward Crown Hill in Indianapolis, Indiana but still I haven't found his name there. There was also a Delity Boswell that I believe came over from England with her father Samuel Boswell and they ended in Anderson Indiana where they are buried but I have been unable to make the connection to Charles. The only connection was that my grandfather Walter Cook lived with them and was the reason my grandmother (Nellie) came and settled in Anderson Indiana. You mentioned an article someone gave you to read is it possible that I could as well? I am curious as to those names you mentioned (Smiths & Seeds). I may have come across the Smith name before but dismissed it. Do you know where Cornelius & Delorany ended up or may be buried? Also are there any photo's you may have? I have very little as to where that is concerned. I would like to put some faces to the names I have.

Do you know anything about the Bosses? Samson or Nellie as he may have been called was my grt. grt. grandfather. From what I have so far he was from England and came over in the mid 1800's. I found a census from the 1880's out of Indiana where it states (along with another family by the name of Green) he is living with his mistress Susannah Williams who gave birth to Rebecca Boss my grt. grandmother but wasn't born in time to be included in the record. Could this be the same Susannah mentioned as a sibling to Charles Boswell. That may explain Charles having the name Wainwright. Perhaps he was a son of a sibling to either Cornelius or Delorany therefore being raised as a Boswell. There were four other children listed in that census Oliver 14, Delilah 11, Moellis 7, Phoebe 2, it states on the record as "living with their father" which leads me to believe Susannah was not their Biological mother. I was also told he married a Janie Rowells in 1883 but I found no record of this. I just wonder if that could have really been Susannah. It also list his mother Susan Boss 80, living with them at the time and I can't find any thing on her after that. I would love to find where she is buried. I believe my research has led me to Samson's family in England with him being the son of Riley Boss (Heron), I have several names for him and have uncovered many of his children. I have one photo of a brother to Samson whose name was Elias but that is it. I know his father had at least 3 wives. I uncovered records of Samson's children Oliver, Delilah, Ellis, & Phoebe and there families out of Chicago. I have yet to get the whole line of who begot who but I am still working on that part. Again no photo's so if anyone out there can help me on this matter I would greatly appreciate it and would pay for any copies. I would also love to hear any stories anyone may have and would be willing to do so privately. I am new to the site and do not have all the rules down yet to know exactly what is allowed to be shared here. Give me time I will learn.

Roger could we be related? You mentioned your family line being Boswell/Lovell that is why I ask. If you have info into my line more so then you mentioned I would love to see or hear it.

Again many thanks to what has been given!

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Re: Nixey Lovell and Rachel Smith mid-19th century - East Anglia?
« Reply #16 on: Friday 27 May 11 13:59 BST (UK) »
Hi

I've got a reference to a Mordecai Boswell (born 1820, died 1873 in Nottinghamshire, England) who used the name Wainwright as an alias. He was a well-known fiddle-player. You'll find him in several English censuses, using the surname Wainwright rather than Boswell. Not sure why.

He registered the birth of his son as Mordecai Wainwright Boswell (1848-1848) and also had a daughter named Sarah Deloraine (1845-1846). So perhaps there's some sort of familial connection to Charles and to Cornelius' wife.

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Re: Nixey Lovell and Rachel Smith mid-19th century - East Anglia?
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 28 May 11 02:10 BST (UK) »
Are you suggesting that Mordecai could be a sibling to Cornelius and Charlie could be his son or that Sarah Deloraine was his mother? Do you know what may of come of Mordecai?

Does anyone know the full name of Trinity who was married to Felix Boswell?

Does anyone know Delorany Lovell's family line, her father listed on the marriage record states Molyneux Lovell at least that is how it looks to be spelled? But he must go by another name. It says he was a Bell Hanger in 1961.

Thanks Sandy