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Re: Robertson major brick wall
« Reply #9 on: Friday 01 February 08 12:15 GMT (UK) »
This is what I found on IGI (extracted records:--

David ROBERTSON and Jane FOWLIS married 2 Jun 1848 (sic) Auchterarder, Perthshire

had the following children all born in Auchterarder, Perthshire

Jane ROBERTSON - born 28 Apr  1845
Margaret ROBERTSON - born 16 Mar 1847
Joseph ROBERTSON - born  11 Nov 1849   
David ROBERTSON - born 14 Aug 1850   
John ROBERTSON - born 22 Jun 1852   

This sure looks like those Moss Siders..... ???

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Re: Robertson major brick wall
« Reply #10 on: Friday 01 February 08 12:36 GMT (UK) »
And......Age is a bit out , but is this another brother in the 'family line of work"?
Again - an Irish Spouse......

1881: 60 Bolton Road, Over Darwen, Lancashire
Ref: RG11; Piece: 4204; Folio: 64; Page: 56;
Head: Joseph ROBERTSON 38, General Practitioner MDLRCP.FR.C.S, b Scotland
Wife: Maria ROBERTSON 28, b Ireland
(Quick look didn't immediately see him 1891/1901)

And the family in 1851:
Loanfoot, Auchterarder, Perthshire
Parish:329, ED 2, pg 9
Head: David ROBERTSON 40, Cattle Dealer, b Blackford, Perthshire
Wife: Jean ROBERTSON 30, b Auchterarder, Perthshire (abt 1821)
Dau: Jean ROBERTSON 6, b b Auchterarder
Dau: Margaret ROBERTSON 4, b Auchterarder
Son: Joseph ROBERTSON 2, b Auchterarder
Son: David ROBERTSON 6 mths, b Auchterarder
Serv: Mary McCULLOCH 18, House Servant, b Creiff, Perthshire
(Quick look, didn't see them in 1861.....)

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AMBLY
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Re: Robertson major brick wall
« Reply #11 on: Friday 01 February 08 15:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ambley wee bairn form chat found this last night and sent it to me so think this is David
http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=7572&iid=WRYRG11_4380_4383-0091&fn=David&ln=Robertson&st=r&ssrc=&pid=24064062

and And here's david in 1891....
http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=6598&iid=WRYRG12_3565_3567-0303&fn=David&ln=Robertson&st=r&ssrc=&pid=59889
I think Margaret could have went to ireland possibly or she might have been married before,
I agree it is a bucket full of  mysteries, well Ambly I am grey with this one , can I  buy you a wig ;)
apprecating all the help on this lot, Eliza's marriage cert and Death cert gives nothing much away,
ty
Sybil

ORKNEY
FLETT, CLOUSTON,  WHISHART, SCOTT, BRUCE,
ABERDEEN AREA:THOMSON, ROSIE, CHAFFEY, ALLAN,               
GLASGOW;STEWART,  SPENCE,  DOUGLAS, BLACK , KEAYS(KEYS), MITCHELL,    JOHNSTON,  FLETT,  ALLAN, CALLAGHAN, JENKS,FINLAY,SMELLIE,TYSON

MORAYSHIRE: ALLAN, INNES, MCPHAIL, MATHEWS, STEWART, MCKENZIE, MCLEAN, PLOWMAN, MASSON, 
IRELAND:DOUGLAS,BLACK,McAULAY,KEAYS,TWEED,MITCHELL,
 ENGLAND: JENKS, WALKER,BALDWIN, HURST,PHILLIPS, CHAFFEY, ROBERTSON, ALLAN;JOHNSON, AMEY,Corston,Race

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Re: Robertson major brick wall
« Reply #12 on: Friday 01 February 08 16:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ambley, I will Look out Eliza's Death cert and look I dont remember there being an address for informant but looked at notes on the FTM file and have put this in ( Note in Margin Forty Two Initialed by Registrar George Simpson , Cause of Death Pepetual Fever 3 Weeks Registered By Mother Jane Robertson )
I will take a look later today, Wish they had remained in scotland, because there is more info on the certificates,
(I think Jane may have died in W. Derby March 1906 Robertson Jane 84 )
and there are certianly the reaccuant family names,
Sorry your going bald but I appreciate the help very much Promise to send you a wig at the end
Sybil
ORKNEY
FLETT, CLOUSTON,  WHISHART, SCOTT, BRUCE,
ABERDEEN AREA:THOMSON, ROSIE, CHAFFEY, ALLAN,               
GLASGOW;STEWART,  SPENCE,  DOUGLAS, BLACK , KEAYS(KEYS), MITCHELL,    JOHNSTON,  FLETT,  ALLAN, CALLAGHAN, JENKS,FINLAY,SMELLIE,TYSON

MORAYSHIRE: ALLAN, INNES, MCPHAIL, MATHEWS, STEWART, MCKENZIE, MCLEAN, PLOWMAN, MASSON, 
IRELAND:DOUGLAS,BLACK,McAULAY,KEAYS,TWEED,MITCHELL,
 ENGLAND: JENKS, WALKER,BALDWIN, HURST,PHILLIPS, CHAFFEY, ROBERTSON, ALLAN;JOHNSON, AMEY,Corston,Race

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Re: Robertson major brick wall
« Reply #13 on: Friday 01 February 08 19:47 GMT (UK) »
Oh my Gosh Sybil!!
Is there such a thing as going balder...... :P I can't tell you how many different ways I tried to find that David in 1881/1891...and there he is as large as life!!!!!! A Clever lassie who found him - I was dancing when I saw your message about that.   ;D

My husband always says he likes blondes - but it don't match me eyebrows, so I'll stick to something in Nice n' Easy Shade 120, ta very much  ;D

And a Welsh wife - this may be the stroke of luck you're looking for then....to confirm the name of Moss Side Jane's late husband?

MARRIAGE:
David Drummond ROBERTSON married Sep Qtr 1878 Bedwelty, Monmouthshire Ref: Vol:11a, pg 105 - and one of the brides on same page is Elizabeth Catherine ANTHONY.

Recalling, Drummond was also  the middle name of that Joseph born Chorlton district Manchester 1883, who I think is a) son of John and Martha F.  and b)  the Grandson in Jane's house 1901.

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AMBLY
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Re: Robertson major brick wall
« Reply #14 on: Friday 01 February 08 22:40 GMT (UK) »
I could not make out   in 1891 it came up with Gerdadar Mon, Scotland
but yes 1881 says ahe is welsh,  ;D
definatly him thanks just the rest to crack ;) :'(
Sybil
ORKNEY
FLETT, CLOUSTON,  WHISHART, SCOTT, BRUCE,
ABERDEEN AREA:THOMSON, ROSIE, CHAFFEY, ALLAN,               
GLASGOW;STEWART,  SPENCE,  DOUGLAS, BLACK , KEAYS(KEYS), MITCHELL,    JOHNSTON,  FLETT,  ALLAN, CALLAGHAN, JENKS,FINLAY,SMELLIE,TYSON

MORAYSHIRE: ALLAN, INNES, MCPHAIL, MATHEWS, STEWART, MCKENZIE, MCLEAN, PLOWMAN, MASSON, 
IRELAND:DOUGLAS,BLACK,McAULAY,KEAYS,TWEED,MITCHELL,
 ENGLAND: JENKS, WALKER,BALDWIN, HURST,PHILLIPS, CHAFFEY, ROBERTSON, ALLAN;JOHNSON, AMEY,Corston,Race

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Re: Robertson major brick wall
« Reply #15 on: Friday 01 February 08 23:00 GMT (UK) »
The place of birth for Elizabeth  is "Tredegar" on that Census. ;D

IGI: Elizabeth Catherine ANTHONY
chr 07 Jun 1854   Tredegar, Monmouth, to Thomas George ANTHONY and Sarah Anne

I wonder now if  Janie / JD is middle name "Drummond" too...........

cheers  ;D
AMBLY
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Re: Robertson major brick wall
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 02 February 08 17:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi ambly my thoughts exactly on JD and I wonder if her mother is Jane Drummond, only problem is I have not found a Jane Drummond married to a Andrew Robertson,
but I have been in touch with college of surgeons and if he registered with them I an in luck,
Just looked at the death and marriage cert for Eliza, her mother registered her death, she died 15 days after my great grandmother was born my 2x great grandfather did not register the death her mother Jane did  ??? Jane was unable to write and signed with her x mark, the same for the Jane who was witness at the marriage, so pretty sure her mother witnessed the marriage,
the marriage cert states Father Andrew Robertson ( deceased) Farmer.

so given Jane was a witness I am pretty sure that Andrew Is the Fathers Name
as you say the family seem to be well off, so why is Eliza in common Grave,
Eliza and Daniel's Daughter in 1881 is living in Findhorn Morayshire with Her Grandmother Catherine Allan, I don't understand why she was living with a grandmother who is 81, when there is family probably more able to look after her there,  and better off.
but at lest we have got one cracked  ;D unless they to have mysteries to emerge
Sybil
ORKNEY
FLETT, CLOUSTON,  WHISHART, SCOTT, BRUCE,
ABERDEEN AREA:THOMSON, ROSIE, CHAFFEY, ALLAN,               
GLASGOW;STEWART,  SPENCE,  DOUGLAS, BLACK , KEAYS(KEYS), MITCHELL,    JOHNSTON,  FLETT,  ALLAN, CALLAGHAN, JENKS,FINLAY,SMELLIE,TYSON

MORAYSHIRE: ALLAN, INNES, MCPHAIL, MATHEWS, STEWART, MCKENZIE, MCLEAN, PLOWMAN, MASSON, 
IRELAND:DOUGLAS,BLACK,McAULAY,KEAYS,TWEED,MITCHELL,
 ENGLAND: JENKS, WALKER,BALDWIN, HURST,PHILLIPS, CHAFFEY, ROBERTSON, ALLAN;JOHNSON, AMEY,Corston,Race

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Re: Robertson major brick wall
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 02 February 08 21:47 GMT (UK) »
Hey Ambly had a wee look on the census for Elizabeth Cathrine Anthony guess what her father was???????? :P.....................A Surgeon think I know how they may have met.
Sybil
ORKNEY
FLETT, CLOUSTON,  WHISHART, SCOTT, BRUCE,
ABERDEEN AREA:THOMSON, ROSIE, CHAFFEY, ALLAN,               
GLASGOW;STEWART,  SPENCE,  DOUGLAS, BLACK , KEAYS(KEYS), MITCHELL,    JOHNSTON,  FLETT,  ALLAN, CALLAGHAN, JENKS,FINLAY,SMELLIE,TYSON

MORAYSHIRE: ALLAN, INNES, MCPHAIL, MATHEWS, STEWART, MCKENZIE, MCLEAN, PLOWMAN, MASSON, 
IRELAND:DOUGLAS,BLACK,McAULAY,KEAYS,TWEED,MITCHELL,
 ENGLAND: JENKS, WALKER,BALDWIN, HURST,PHILLIPS, CHAFFEY, ROBERTSON, ALLAN;JOHNSON, AMEY,Corston,Race