Jones' of Bontuchel/Ruthin

[cnerys]

Hi Moe,
What a lot of information you have sent and sadly it has confirmed to me that the Robert Roberts son of John and Mary of Bontuchel Gyffylliog isn't the correct Robert Roberts for me. I know the whereabouts of him from the 1871 census, he is living with wife Jane and 2 children in Brookhouse Denbigh. I appreciate all the hard work you have put in - and typed out !! 
I am determined to find him though and will have to look at the other options again.

Kind Regards
Nerys

[moe1939]

No problem ...as I said it was from a friend so my effort was strictly Copy and Paste 
Regards Moe

[moe1939]

Hi Janet

I received a marriage certificate for William 24 and Ellinor 21 on the 17 March1855 it showed William's father John- Labourer and Ellinor's father Morris- Labourer.
I have decided John (Blacksmith) and Elizabeth are not the ones I am looking for and have gone back to John and Margaret 1841 Llanfwrog census Dist 4 Page 9 showing
John Jones 45 Ag. Lab Margaret Jones 50, William 10, Lewis 5, Jane 3 this gives William's birth in 1831.

Have a good day... Moe

Hi Moe,

Do you know if your William Jones married to Ellinor was a Blacksmith?

After Hiraeth found all the children of John and Elizabeth, I looked for them on Ancestry, and found the family in 1851, where William is described as a Blacksmith (like his father).  I searched in 1861 and found a William Jones, born 1831 in Llanynys (which seems to be interchangable with Llanfwrog ), a Blacksmith living with his wife Dinah (b1820 Clocaenog) and a couple of children.  In 1871 I can find Dinah (married, Blacksmith's wife) but with no sign of William.

I had presumed that this might be the William, son of John and Elizabeth, because of his profession as a Blacksmith, and the age is only a year out.

I'm wondering if we have two different William Jones born in the same area in 1831/32 one an Ag Lab and one a Blacksmith.

What do you think?

Best wishes,

Janet

[fridayjan]

Hi Moe,

Thanks for letting me know about William and Ellinor.  I think I'll send for the marriage certificate of William Jones to Dinah Roberts in Ruthin, 1857 to see what that says.

Good luck with your searching.

Janet

[fridayjan]

Hi Moe,

No luck with the other William either I'm afraid!  I sent for the certificate and it says his father is Edward, also a Blacksmith.  You never know, we may find he fits in somewhere.

Here are the details:

13.5.1857 at Ruthin Register Office,

William Jones, 24 yrs, Bachelor, Blacksmith of Llan Clocaenog, father Edward Jones, Blacksmith to

Dinah Roberts, of full age, Spinster, Baker of Llan Clocaenog, father Robert Roberts, Stonemason

Witnesses: John Davies and Anne Rogers

I'll keep looking, and hope to get over to Ruthin soon, although I suspect it's going to be in the New Year now.

Best wishes,

Janet

[mrs pauline shone]

My g.g. grandfather was Joseph Jones b. 1832 Gwegil y Bryn. Father John Jones a labourer and mother Elizabeth Jones, formerly Roberts. Porth Ogof llanelidan

Joseph went to Stoke-on-Trent and married there, he worked as a coal miner. His son Arthur was my g. grandfather he was also a miner and died at only 30 years of age. His son William was my grandfather. His son Harold was my father.

If anyone could give information about John and Elizabeth that would be great.

Pauline

[redvanman]

Nine years on from the original discussion, I found this thread while making my own search for the same family.
Thanks to everyone who contributed - especially to Hiraeth for his lists of the John and Elizabeth Jones children, which saved me a lot of searching.
John Roberts, the saddler who FridayJan mentioned, is my g g grandfather. His son Robert and his grandson (also Robert) were both saddlers. The younger Robert was the subject of an article in the Liverpool Daily Post in 1951 when he was reportedly the oldest working saddler in North Wales (aged 78 at the time).
He was my grandfather and was still working well up into his 80s.
Alyn 

[cnerys]

Hi Alyn,
I am glad you have found this article of value to you, it was interesting to read back what other people had replied to my original question. I have since still been unable to find out anything on my Robert Roberts b 1844 Gyffylliog/Bontuchel so that line of my ancestry is a bit of a brick wall at the moment.
Kind Regards
Nerys