Deans/Geddes family in Down

[tigger_lass]

Hi Tom

Thanks for the photo...am loving seeing my relatives!

James and Annie had 13 children in total.

Andrew
Jean
Annie
Margaret
James
Hugh
Christina
Janet
Elizabeth
Lily
Helen
John
Marion

Helen was my very much loved gran and passed away in 2007. Her parents settled in Allanton, Lanarkshire and her dad worked at Kingshill Pit as a foreman. She married in 1946 and had 9 children, 8 of whom are living. She lived all her married life in Shotts. You can see the Thomson's don't go in for small families lol.

Where are you from?

Tracey

Of the 13 there is only one girl left alive.

[tomdon]

Hello Tracey

Thanks for the information. You are right about the number of children and just to back that up here is my line and a bit about me (in a brief a form as possible)

Eliza Deans - b1839 Co Down, Ireland married James Melvin in Scotland
6 children including my great grandmother:

Jane Melvin b1872 Dalziel, Motherwell married Richard Langford in Scotland
12 children including my grandmother:

Eliza Melvin Langford b1894 Holytown married John Donnelly in Scotland
8 children including my father:

Richard Langford Donnelly (*)
5 children including ME:

Thomas John Donnelly (*)
I have bucked the trend - I have no children.

As I am on - please find attached a photo of your direct ancestor Andrew Thomson (1844-1917) - coalminer husband of Jane Deans.

Tom

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[tigger_lass]

Tom....keep those pictures coming!

I've emailed them to one of my aunties and we are racking our brains trying to work out who in the family Jane Deans reminds us of...her face is so familiar   

I didnt know very many of my gran's siblings but did meet Lily, Lizzie, Mamie (Marion) and John. He was in the CID with Fife Police. Only Lizzie is still alive.

Tracey

[tomdon]

Hello again Tracey

I suggest we move to e-mail - I see a message on here about info being removed relating to living persons - so let's do this through e-mail - I can attach photos that way.

Now, the issue of who Jane Deans reminds you of - that makes me smile as it could be that the famous Geddes/Deans 'nose' is the key here. Jane has a distinctive nose - well, so do numerous descendants of her sister Eliza (my great, great grandmother). I will attach a photo below of Eliza Dean's daughter (my great grandmother) Jane Melvin.  Jane lived to 88 and this was taken late in life, but one thing that you will notice straight away is the famous 'snub' nose - it is one of the strongest genetic 'hand-me-downs' that I have ever seen. Two of my Aunties (born 1913 and 1928) had it - I'll attach their photos to prove all this. What is spooky is that it comes right down to the present day. My oldest Auntie (Elizabeth Donnelly) was born in 1913 - she died a long time ago, but I am in facebook contact with her daughter, granddaughter and great granddaughter who is only 15 - and she has the 'nose.'  It is quite remarkable.

As you know, I have photos of two lines of descendants from Jane Deans (1st child Andrew Thomson and 5th child Janat Thomson - siblings of James Thomson of course) and yes 'the nose' is there too!!! I am wondering if this may be why Jane's photo is sparking a 'I have seen that face before' reaction - do you have any old photos of relatives - might be worth checking (would love to see any you have).  Oh and on that note, thank you so much for giving me the names of your gran and her siblings - would it be possible to get dates and marriage details. I looked on scottis records but they don't have details and there are so many Thomsons anyway there is no way of me telling who is who even with the names you gave me.  I really would appreciate it if you have that info.

Anyway here are some more photos to keep you going

Cheers - Tom  - my e-mail is:   (*)

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[tomdon]

oops - hit the button without attaching photos - but it won't let me attach anything anyway because of  file size problems here - I will need your e-mail to send you anything else Tracey.

Re: Jane Deans descendants - you now have a photo of Jane and her husband Andrew Thomson and a oneof her 5th child Janet Thomson - I'll send some more relating to Janet and to 1st son Andrew via e-mail (I would suggest that you e-mail me your e-mail address  - don't post it on here)

Tom

[kingskerswell]

Tom,
       The site rules do not allow posting of E-mail addresses but you can send it by Personal Message (PM). Click on the green scroll under the name of the person you wish to contact and this will bring you into the PM system.

Regards

[tomdon]

Thanks for that last message.

To continue the photos

Here is a photo of Jane Dean's son Andrew Thomson born 31 Oct 1867 - died 1939. He was the first child and he had many jobs including being a coalminer (like his namesake father), a bottler' and 'beer dealer' and finally an 'aerated water manufacturer.'

Obviously, this is your James Thomson's much older brother. He was married twice: His first wife was Annie Philp 1872-1898 who unfortunately died of TB after bearing four children by Andrew.  I have photos of Annie his wife and all four children - which I will send you via e-mail.  For now - here is Andrew Thomson:

Regards

Tom

[tomdon]

oops - hit the wrong button again - here is jane Deans and Andrew Thomson's first-born son Andrew Thomson b1867 Cambusnethan d 19 Feb 1939 Cambusnethan (of pneumonia). Second photo is of his first wife Annie Philp b 1872 Carluke - died 25 Jan 1898 Cambusnethan (of tuberculosis).

Tom

[wildcats13]

Hi to all,

I am in Australia seeking Ireland information about John Deans who was born about 1835 in Ireland and Married Celina White/Whyte about 1857 in Scotland. Not sure where, but Celina born about 1837, and came from Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland. The following is the details of their 1881 Census;

Old No 1 Houses
Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland

John DEANS, married, 47, male, Ireland, Head of House, General Labourer
Cellia DEANS, married, 42, female, Paisley, Renfrew, Wife
Robert DEANS, unmarried, 22, male, Paisley, Renfrew, son, Breaksman
Mary DEANS, unmarried, 19, female, Paisley, Renfrew, daughter, Dressmaker
John DEANS, unmarried, 18, male, Paisley, Renfrew, son, Screeman
James DEANS, unmarried, 16, male, Omoa, Lanark, son, Platelayer
William DEANS, unmarried, 13, male, Omoa, Lanark, son, Scholar
Thomas DEANS, unmarried, 11, male, Wishaw, Lanark, son, Scholar
Joseph DEANS, unmarried, 8, male, Wishaw, Lanark, son, Scholar
Cellia DEANS, unmarried, 6, female, Wishaw, Lanark, daughter, Scholar
Lettia DEANS, unmarried, 3, female, Wishaw, Lanark, daughter         
David DEANS, unmarried, 1, male, Wishaw, Lanark, , son
I am wondering whether there is a connection with the Deans/Geddes family line as it appears the timing to the Lanark area from Ireland as about the same. At this stahe, all I know is that he came from Ireland.

Hope someone can help.

Best Regards,

Wildcats13