Plumb of Wigan England,

[anitamaria]

Hi,
Many thanks,
Yes this is the same family, I have seen the Wigan site, As Alice  Ann Plumb  c1868 didnt Marry until 1915 ,Im trying to find out what happened to her children ,
Alice Plumb/Mullens c1906 Alices daughter is my husbands Grandmother,Sadly there are not many relations left to find out info from,
 Kind Regards
Anita

[Janice M]

Here is the passenger manifest for Patrick.

I still haven't found when Mae came over though.

Sicilian 1911
http://tinyurl.com/37obqg

Janice

[J.J.]

Well done in finding that information on Patrick Janice...

I can't see Mae either on the BHC or anywhere...Mind you she'd have come a lot later as they never sent infants.

If Patrick's death in 1894...I don't think he was the father of Patrick or Mae
Deaths Sept. Q  as Patrick Mallin age 46
Wigan vol. 8c  p.25

Hi, Anita! You may want to buy the cert for Mae in 1809 to see what the father's name is...just in case she went by the name of the father rather than the single mother.
Also Mae/May can be an abbreviation for Mary...
nevermind I see I have that all wrong now...

[J.J.]

  whoosh, I am thinking this out wrong, as usually the father or mother or both
dies, then children are sent as home children.
having read through again...she didn't marry the father of some of her children
until 1915? and Patrick was sent away in 1911...I guess she was really in dire staits....

[Janice M]

Hopefully the Baird Family site will have more information. I can't find her on the passenger lists at all. (Either home child, or through regular immigration).

I have checked the Ancestors on Board site, as well as the National Archives Canada site.

Janice

[anitamaria]

Thanks again Janice,
The only Mae Plumb i have found on passenger lists is 1949, much to late for my mae, there is another  sibling Esther Ann Plumb i havent been able to find, My husbands Cousin said she remembers her mother talking a bout a sister Nellie and also about Canada,
The marriage 1915 is right for Alice Ann Plumb to Patrick Plumb they had only been married a few months when Patrick snr died in Belguim in the war,

Kind Regards
Anita

[LemonMallie]

There is a marriage entry for a Patrick Plumbe and Laura Viola Ham on ancestry.ca.  I don't have a subscription to look up the details but could this be another link to the Ham family? 

There is also a border crossing record for Laura V Plumbe to Niagra Falls, NY.

If anyone has a sub, can you do a lookup for additional details?

[LemonMallie]

I popped into the library after work and looked up the ancestry records.

Patrick Plumbe married Laura Viola Ham on 16 June 1921.  He was 21yrs old, a farmer, born in Wigan and residing in Limerick.  His father was listed as Patrick Plumb and mother as Alice, last name not know.  Laura was only 16yrs old, born and residing in Limerick.  Her parents were Thomas Ham and Ida Barager.

Laura crossed the border at Niagra Falls on 1 May 1926.  She was 20yrs old, born in St Ola, Ontario.  Employed as a rubber worker.  Her permanent address was St Catherine's, Ontario.  She was going to reside permanently in the US and the contact was Mrs Charles Zocher in Niagra Falls, NY.  Relatives in Canada were listed as father Thomas Ham and husband Patrick, in St Catherines.  There is a street name but I can't read it, Qu??aston Street perhaps.

I downloaded the images if you'd like them.

[anitamaria]

Thankyou Very much Lemonmallie,
I have sent a personal message,
Kind Regards
Anita