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please identify............ta.
« on: Sunday 13 April 08 16:25 BST (UK) »
this man is Ernest ROSE born in 1894.
i don't know whether these pictures were peace time or ww1.
i do not know anything about his military career, hoping the photo's may provide a clue.
i know he was still alive after the first world war.

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« Reply #1 on: Sunday 13 April 08 16:28 BST (UK) »
further to my original message....... he sent this home to his mum with a note on the back if it helps.

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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 13 April 08 16:40 BST (UK) »
Mesopotamia (present day Iraq) Great War possibly 1920s?
Lowe(Lower Gornall-Castleford)
Blackburn (Castleford)
Sidwell(Ledsham)
Fairburn(Hartshead)
Wood(Liversedge)
Tallon (Whittington Lancs/Hartshead West Yorkshire)

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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 13 April 08 16:42 BST (UK) »
TA.

any clue as to regiment.
what made you say mesop ?? was it the card he sent home or the uniform ??

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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 13 April 08 16:45 BST (UK) »
Yes the card mentions Mespot and Baghdad also the photo is of sunny climes but the caps look later than Great War im sure Scrimnet will be along to give you a better update on the uniforms There are a lot of Ernest Rose Medal Cards did he have a middle name?
Lowe(Lower Gornall-Castleford)
Blackburn (Castleford)
Sidwell(Ledsham)
Fairburn(Hartshead)
Wood(Liversedge)
Tallon (Whittington Lancs/Hartshead West Yorkshire)

Researching all Great War soldiers from the Spen Valley of West Yorkshire Especially lads from the Cleckheaton Company of 1/4th West Riding Regiment.

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 13 April 08 16:49 BST (UK) »
i'm not a 10% yet but i believe it was James.
he would have been living in the Battersea area prior to joining the army which probably isn't much help. he would have been 20 at the outbreak of the great war so i would imagine he was ionvlved during the war at some point. i suppose lots of regiments were out there.

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 13 April 08 17:35 BST (UK) »
Hello all....Oh dear, I am getting a bit of a  reputation when people are expecting me to have the answers!!!

One day I'll get it wrong!!!

First of all the card...

It is actually dated 1917 (the small 17 in the bottom corner is the usual manner in which the WW1 artist dated such things...)

The title alludes to the song "Keep the Home Fires Burning" in which the last line of the refrain is "...'till the boys come home..."

Both of the photos would fit in with the Mespot campaign...In the first he has a stable belt on...This would in all probability mean he was mounted in some form or another...He is also wearing shorts KD. Although shorts were seen in the France and Flanders campaign, the were of the itchy SD material...

The side forage hat was known in Victorian times and a number of Regts retained them...And they were re authorised in a slightly different form in 1937.

The second pic has him in khaki drill trousers with elements of the 1903 (leather) Bandolier Equipment on...mainly the belt and bandolier.

The hat would have had the stiffener removed in 1916, but things take longer in the "uluh"! This may well be a "just got here, ma" pic as I would have expected to see him in a Wolseley...This not withstanding, the Gallipoli campaign saw all sorts of different modes and mixtures of dress...They set the standard for the desert "uniforms" (if one could call them that!) immortalised in WW2 by the cartoonist "Jon in his "Two Types"

Don't forget this was the campaign of Lawrence of Arabia...And look what he wore...He went native!!!

Its a shame that the cap badge is lost in the shadow...I've blown the pic up, but I cannot make it out at all...
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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 13 April 08 17:42 BST (UK) »
hello.

Thanks for that.
it is a shame aboout that cap badge, the original picture was an inch high and i had a photographer make a neagative of it to produce a 6 by 4.
So we think this soldier saw war time service 1917, possibly mounted.
i'm pretty sure he would have joined up in London.
do you know anyway i can progress this research and track him down. i suppose alot of regiments sewrved out there at this time.

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iain