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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 29 May 08 12:26 BST (UK) »
Thanks Tom.

I'll have a look at the Census Images on SP and see if they adds anything and also find the DC for Charlotte.  How did you find that she had died in 1860?

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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 29 May 08 16:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Reiver,

I found John was a widower in 1861 census, so looked for death certificate on SP, and only 1 result was returned, I downloaded certificate and have an electronic copy.I will try and send you a copy. I am working on son's laptop, my pc away for repair.

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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 29 May 08 18:17 BST (UK) »


Well Reiver !

I've been all over the IOM ... and can't seem to find anything ! :-\

I tried CHARLOTTE AVARANE ( IGI ) AVERNE and even AHERNE ( just in case !! )

Don't know if this maybe a relation but I found a Caird a Surgeon who's wife was born in Malta ...... Malta being a prominent Navy base through the years !!

Harriet Caird, born in Malta about 1833. The wife of T. Wilson Caird. In 1881 living with her husband in Exeter, Devon. He was Surgeon at Devon & Exeter Hospital and HM Prison

http://website.lineone.net/~aldosliema/rc.htm

And this one in IOM .... maybe a relation ??

Various Officials.
Surgeon to the Household and Prison, &c.-Dr. H. Caird (120).
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/exans/txt_1918.htm

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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #21 on: Friday 30 May 08 16:59 BST (UK) »
Hi Reiver,

Have you seen this? There's an 1826 document in the National Archives at Kew .....with a surgeons certificate signed by John Caird... in Edinburgh.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=7&CATID=-5124906&j=1
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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #22 on: Friday 30 May 08 23:25 BST (UK) »
Thanks all three of you for your input to this.

I had intended to provide an update but things have not panned out today.  I'll do it tomorrow.

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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 31 May 08 12:33 BST (UK) »
Did John Caird marry a Princess?    Still looking  :) :) :)

Biography
John Caird, an Edinburgh surgeon, died in i861 aged 74.
Age is consistent through 1851 and 1861 but in 1841 is aged 58.
Calculated birth year based on 1841 is 1782/83 (born in Kirkinner WIG)
Possible? - IGI extract for a baptism at Kirkinner on 5th September 1781 to same parents given on death certificate.
Married Charlotte Averne in Isle of Man in 1803
(I think it was Annie who first reported this - IOM.  My first thought was Isle of Madascar  :) :) :) :) :)  Thst's in the Indian Ocean, isn't it.   Ah well :'(  )

So he was married (1803) at the age of 21 say.
Admitted as FRCS Edinburgh - per Tidy    1811
Promoted to FRCS Examiner - per Tidy 1822   (Must be good)
Signed a Surgeon Certificate in Edinhurgh  1826  - per Shaun.
In 1826 he would be   45.

What about Charlotte?
She was with John in Edinhutgh - he a Surgeon - aged 57.  Not born in Scotland but a E in the last colums.  Would that cover Isle of Man in the enumerator's instructions.  She died in 1860 at 27, Montague Street and was buried in Grange Cemetery.  I assume that is/was in Edinburgh.  Are there transcriptions available?
I have no idea whether John and Charlotte had any children.  I wondered whether a memorial inscription or an obituary for either of them may provide information.
Where is the best place to look, please?

Now an oddity.
Charlotte died in 1860 at 27, Montague Street.  On the DC John Caird, surgeon, is her husband. However both in the 1851 Census and the 1861 Census Charlotte is not there with John and an Elizabeth is shown as John's wife  ???

Annie, after all this time, I have emailed the Royal College of Surgeons seeking information on John Caird.  Obviously I'll post the result.

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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 31 May 08 12:46 BST (UK) »
I did say I would post more from the letter  :)

We 'know' Dr. Caird became King.   :)

It goes on:-
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Only one daughter was the result of the marriage, and when both father and mother died, the daughter inherited all.  She corresponded regularly with Charles Caird her cousin. She never married, but when Charles Caird (my mother's cousin) died leaving no children , his wefe carried off all the letters which he had saved from the Princess so all trace or proof was lost with the letters.

No one knew the name of the island but Charles Caird. He was next of kin; his cousin next to him.  The Island is now and has long been English territory.
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Just to repeat, the letter was written between 1893 and 1908.

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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 31 May 08 14:07 BST (UK) »
Hi Reiver

If charlotte died in 1860 then she wouldn't be on the 1861 census. I was thinking that Elizabeth might have been a second wife.......ignore that .....you said that the 'Elizabeth' was with John in 1851 as well. Did Charlotte have another forename, people in those days did use forenames interchangeably. ;D

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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 31 May 08 14:26 BST (UK) »
Hello Joy
It would solve the problem wouldn't it. John Caird, in his will of 1838, refers to her as Mrs Charlotte Avarne Caird. Three years later she is also Charlotte.  But in 1851 and 1861 Elizabeth.  Elizabeth was born in London and in 1851 was 66 - consistent with Charlotte's age in 1841.

So could be

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