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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 28 May 08 12:16 BST (UK) »
Hi Reiver

What a fascinating exotic story. Do you feel that there is an element of truth in it? From my own experience, and that of others I have helped, I have found that in the family/ story/myth/legend somewhere is an element of fact. The challenge of course is to find that 'fact'.

Good luck please post your results ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 28 May 08 13:07 BST (UK) »
Hi "Prince" Reiver,

What a great story, with his wife's name, Charlotte Avarane, it would be interesting to see wedding certificate. In the IOM, do they take note of parent's etc, may give some details of Indian Ocean parentage.

A good find, Annie, did you get the medical link, as a result of a google etc? What a great book that is.

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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 28 May 08 15:20 BST (UK) »


Oh my goodness Reiver !! 

I'd better practice my curtsey !! :D :D :D :D

Now how on earth are we going to find out about that ? Visions of Mutiny on the Bounty come into my head ..... and all the girls in grass skirts !!  :o :o :o :o
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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 28 May 08 19:35 BST (UK) »


Google is my friend Tom !!  :D :D :D :D :D :D

Amazing what you find Googling !!  ;)
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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 29 May 08 01:32 BST (UK) »
Hi Reiver & Annie,

Did some more searching of newspapers, John Caird was admitted to FRCS Edinburgh 1st October 1811, and promoted to FRCS Examiner, 14 September 1822.

On 1861 census, John Caird is a widower staying at 27 Montague Street, Newington, Edinburgh. His wife, Charlotte Averne (according to death certificate) died 29th March 1860 at home, of Old Age she was 70 plus, and was the daughter of John Averne Minister (Deceased) and Charlotte Averne nee Flemington or Remington (deceased) Unfortunately does not give country of their residence, she is buried in Grange cemetry.
John Caird according to 1861 census was born in Kirkconner, Wigtonshire.

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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 29 May 08 02:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Reiver and all,

I have found an extracted record on IGI that a John Caird was christened 05 Sep 1781 at Kirkinner, Wigtonshire to parents Gavin Caird and Agnes MacLachlan. However I could find no siblings. Do we have the correct John Caird?

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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 29 May 08 02:19 BST (UK) »


Hi Tom!

Looks like you've been working hard ! ..... you asked if this is the correct John Caird ... we didn't even know his name was John ... till you found him!!  :) but I think you've come up with a very good possibility !! .....

I've been searching the IOM .... but I can't find anything yet .... With Charlottes father being a minister ... I was hoping maybe he had a congregation there and that's why she was there ....  :-\ but nothing so far !!

I found some parish records for Onchan but they only go up to 1799/1800 - just missed it by 3 years !!  ::) but I'll keep looking !

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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 29 May 08 11:59 BST (UK) »
Good morning all  :)

I too have been digging further over the last 24 hours.  But firstly thank you for your efforts as well.

is all this Royalty stuff nonsense??  :)   Probably, but .  .  .  Ever since my father gave me the (copy) letter 30+ years ago I've wondered too.  However in the first part of the letter the writer gives details about his grandparents and relatives in Dumfriesshire - Caird, Rae, Burnet et al - no dates - but all can and have been proved.  The fact that he is talking about a 'close?' relation - "my grandmother's brother" suggests that there ought to be 'something' in it  :) :) :)

Since I last posted I have looked at John Caird's Will, his Death Certificate and earlier censuses - 1861 and 1851 anyway.

john Caird died on 9th October 1861 at Montague St. Edinburgh.  He had written his Will in 1838 and the date in the 'register' is 29th October 1861 which I assume is the date of Probate.  His Death Certificate gives his parent's names as Gavin Caird and Mary McLaughlan - and as Tidy pointed out - the IGI has an extracted baptism for a John Caird at Kirkinner, Wigtownshire for 5th September 1781.  I did find other children baptsed to Gavin and Mary named Vilot (sic), Jean, Ann, Robert and James.  The eldest was baptised 1767 and the youngest, John, in 1787.

His Death Certificate gives his wife's name as Charlotte Averne (deceased). Her name is in the Will. However in both the 1861 Census - the April a dew months before he died - and in 1851 his wifes name is given as Elizabeth - from A*****y so far.

Info about Charlotte is just coming through as I write.  Thank you.

Knowing now more detail about John Caird Surgeon I will now pick up on Annie's origiinal suggestion and contact the library of the Royal College of Surgeons.

Now for the disconcerting news - -
The letter refers to John caird being the brother of Sarah Caird.  He burial place/memorial is known giving a birth year of 1765. I think I have her baptism record - father is John caird and mother Janet Cuthbert in Dumfries.  Her siblings can also be seen - but all within years of 1765 - not the period around 1787 when Dr. John was born.

If this is the correct Dr. John than it would appear that he was not a brother of Sarah - the writer's grandmother - but a cousin.

More to go.  I'll add another extract from the letter in due course ;D ;D

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Reiver


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Re: Dr. Caird - Surgeon
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 29 May 08 12:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Reiver,

Thanks for the update that helps greatly. Are we looking at his wife Charlotte who died 1860, having other name, Elizabeth Charlotte Averne or Charlotte Elizabeth Averne. It sounds French to me, but Maybe her mother was French.

I notice the death of Charlotte Averne was registered by a servant Euphemia Mathison.   She maybe did not know of her mistress's origin. I think the only place we may get a clue is in the marriage certificate from IOM.

Tom
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