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SNELL & MILLER South Australia
« on: Monday 05 May 08 11:36 BST (UK) »
I have traced one branch of my father's family back to John Snell and Sarah Elizabeth Miller of Mount Barker South Australia  who (an old aunt has told me) had a very large family. I have found records for 8 children born to them between 1856 and 1876 so this seems to be correct. The aunt also told me that a daughter Sarah (one I found, born 8/8/1858) raised her younger siblings after her mother or both parents died. She married a man whose last name was Train and lived in Edgeworth Street Prospect South Australia. She was known in the neighbourhood as 'Mother Train'. I have not been able to find John Snell or Sarah Elizabeth Miller in shipping records, but would love to know when they arrived in South Australia, where they were from and if or when they married. I would be most grateful if anyone could provide any information or tell me where I should look.
Gilbertson (Burnley Lancs)
Maddison (Durham)
Snell (Cornwall)
Lamb (Nottinghamshire)
Simpson (Glasgow)
Topliss (Isle of Man)
Clonan (or Cloonan), Bennett (or Bent) (Westmeath Ireland)
all migrated to South Australia between 1836 and 1890s

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Re: Snell & Miller South Australia
« Reply #1 on: Monday 05 May 08 12:04 BST (UK) »
They married in South Australia, father's not recorded.

SNELL, John, age 22
MILLER,  Sarah Elisabeth, age 18
marital status of both: N
married 1856-03-26
Place: Res of Rev J Gardner [Adelaide]
District: Ade Book/Page: 25/180

James Hay  TRAIN, aged 38, widower, father James Train
Sarah Elizabeth SNELL, aged 26, single, father John Snell
Date: 1884-05-28
Place: Res of John Snell Green Plains
District: Dal Book/Page: 139/816

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Re: Snell & Miller South Australia
« Reply #2 on: Monday 05 May 08 12:20 BST (UK) »
I am not sure about that story of one or both of the parents passing away whilst the children were young - John does not appear to pass away until 1914, and his marital status is married.  No death for Sarah up to 1915.

This is the only death of the right age.

John SNELL died  1914-03-20, aged 80
Status: M  Relative not recorded
Residence & Death place: Kooringa
District Code: Bur Book: 382 Page: 406

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Re: Snell & Miller South Australia
« Reply #3 on: Monday 05 May 08 12:35 BST (UK) »
A couple of children where mum is not recorded with her full name.  Last child recorded in 1881.

Jessy Ann - 14 Aug 1866 - Mount Barker Springs - mum Elizabeth Miller
Clara Alice - 14 Dec 1870 - ditto - ditto
Walter James Valentine - 17/10/1877 - Cocoanut
Frank Percival - 24/07/1879 - Cocoanut
Charley Gilbert - 11/05/1881 - Greens Plains East.

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Re: Snell & Miller South Australia
« Reply #4 on: Monday 05 May 08 13:19 BST (UK) »
John Snell    
B:  1834 = Grey, South Australia, Australia
Marriage:  26 NOV 1856  = Adelaide, South Australia, Australia
Sarah Elizabeth Miller         
B:  1836  = Grey, South Australia, Australia
Found: 14 Children to this people. Will pm them .

John Snell
Died:23 Jan 1863
Place:Mount Barker  Spring.
Age: 76y Born: 1787
Relative: John Snell (Son)
Book/Page: 16/16.

Ann Snell
died:28 May 1870
Age 77 Born:1793
Status: W
Relative: John Snell (DH)
Place: Mount Barker  Spring
Book/Page:38/364
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Re: Snell & Miller South Australia
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 02:18 BST (UK) »
Hello  there
just adding  to  what others  have allready said  here

John Snell  and Sarah Elizabeth Miller had 15 children from  1852 to 1881

Sarah  the daughter being born  in 1858

by  the time the  last child  was born she was allready 23 .

In  1915 when Frank Percival Snell (a son) enlists in Queensland ,   he  lists  his father John Snell as nok.  you  will see a  letter  to  the father at Franklin Harbour in 1916

referrring  to  the death  found  by  Christine R
John SNELL died  1914-03-20, aged 80
Status: M  Relative not recorded
Residence & Death place: Kooringa
District Code: Bur Book: 382 Page: 406

This  might be another  John Snell  who  appears  having children  at  the same  time  with an Elizabeth Ann Currow.

it does seem possible that the Father John Snell  died  later than 1914,  his death  may be on  the next lot of  index's

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Re: Snell & Miller South Australia
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 08:29 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Yes, I think the 1914 John Snell death is not your man.

At Burra Cemetery.

Snell, John. 22/3/1914. aged 80. Grave 1936
Lease name Jane Snell
With
Snell, Jane died 14/7/1902. Last residence Kooringa. Grave 1936.

A  married couple I would say.

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Re: Snell & Miller South Australia
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 09:34 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Here are some bits about the Trains.

The family seems to have remained in the Green Plains area where Sarah Elizabeth and James were married.

Others may find more children, but 2 sons I came across were in ww1.
Willie Collin was an Orchardist and enlisred at 21 in 1916.  His mother is Next of Kin.
also Stanley Norman a blacksmith aged 22 in 1915.  His mother also is NOK.  Her address at Paskeville is given.  Stanley was a POW in Germany.
There are some Train burials at Green Plains including a mystifying James Hay Train whose burial date is given as 28/12/1806!!

[If you were interested, I think an enquiry to the cemetery would clarify that.]

As Sarah is Nok to the men,we may think James had died by that date.

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Re: Snell & Miller South Australia
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 10:17 BST (UK) »
 Here  is  the  names  of all  the children…….and  not a set of twins  amongst  them
Born to John Snell  and Sarah Elizabeth Miller.

John  born 27/9/1856 at Mount Bark Creek 9/119
Henry born 25/8/1857 at Mount Bark Creek 12/339
Sarah Elizabeth born 8/8/1858 at Mount Barker Creek 14/237
Alfred born 20/1/0/1860  at Mount Gambier 22/142
Mary Ann born 14/2/1862 at Mount Barker 24/69
Barbara born 1/8/1861 at Mount Barker Springs 29/229
John Herbert born 12/7/1864 at Mount Barker Springs 32/116
Jessy Ann born 14/8/1866 at Mount Barker Springs 45/370
Henry Albert born 3/11/1867 at Mount  Barker Springs  58/531
Clara Alice born 14/12/1870  at Mount Barker Springs 90/1/19
Isabella born 28/6/1872 at Green Plains 111/50
Euphemia born 24/7/1874 at Green Plains 140/163
Walter James Valentine born 17/10/1877 at Cocoanut 191/494
Frank Percival  born 24/7/1879  at Cocoa Nut 226/377
Charley Gilbert  born 11/5/1881 born at Green Plains East
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