Tracing "ORCHARD" family in Oxfordshire.

[tiggi]

Hi Selinat
 I would be interested to know if you have anything about a Eliza/Elizabeth Scarrott/Scarrett who married a James Smith, they are my Great-Great Grandparents by their daughter Betsy Smith who married my Great grandfather Nelson Buckland
 James ^ Eliza had children
Selina m Henry James
Peggy m Joe Orchard ( info from her birth certificate about parents)
William m Caroline Smitheram
Harriet m Robert Lee
Betsy m Nelson Buckland
Britannia - never married
 there maybe more children not found yet, but I know nothing about parents , would really like to figure out where they came from and which family both belong too
tiggi

[tiggi]

Hi all,
Had a look at info i found on census records,it would appear that the children were born in different counties,
Thomas abt 1846 Dorchester, Oxon
Rachel abt 1849,Sutton,Hants
Mary and Joseph abt 1852,Harwell,Berks and,
Jonathon abt 1854, Taynton,Oxon.

Just out of interest would they have been more likely to have baptised the children instead of registering the birth?

I read through Debs scavenger hunt but the names in her tree don't appear to match with mine.

hi kerilane
 I would agree totally with your comment they would most definately  likely had children baptized but not always registered birth , also its possible the children could be much older than a baby when baptized , going by my own family my great grand-father was 11 when baptized, but I can;t find a birth record, also you may find them baptized anywhere not always in place they were born , but start in one county and follow by looking in neighbouring counties, I will see if I can help you here and do a search as well,
tiggi

[selinat]

Hi Selinat
 I would be interested to know if you have anything about a Eliza/Elizabeth Scarrott/Scarrett who married a James Smith, they are my Great-Great Grandparents by their daughter Betsy Smith who married my Great grandfather Nelson Buckland
 James ^ Eliza had children
Selina m Henry James
Peggy m Joe Orchard ( info from her birth certificate about parents)
William m Caroline Smitheram
Harriet m Robert Lee
Betsy m Nelson Buckland
Britannia - never married
 there maybe more children not found yet, but I know nothing about parents , would really like to figure out where they came from and which family both belong too
tiggi

william scarrott and margaret ?
children Eliza 1817 married James Smith
2 children ( only 2 i have ) christoper born 1829 & margaret ( peggy born 1854)
other children of william & margaret
william 1819
susanna 1820 she married joe orchard who was the son of edward orchard & christina hunt
caroline she married william orchard who was also the son of edward & christina
james

christoper ( 1829) had 2 marriages first to elizabeth ? then Rhoda smith. Rhoda smith was the daughter of william smith & sinfoy/ sinfi smith . rhoda died at walthamstow 1912
margaret( peggy) was born 21st feb 1854  at crediton , Devon she married joseph orchard who was the son of william orchard & caroline scarrott
Susanna - joe orchard children  Edwin , william & James
caroline - william children   james, susanna, joseph, william , christina, caroline , thomas, louisa, henry & sophia . my links to the scarrott family are through keziah whos father was john scarrott , william scarrotts brother . my information may not be correct , but i will try to help were ever i can , as this scarrott family really interests me

[tiggi]

hi Selinat
If I have read it correct you agree Eliza married James Smith
you also say if again read it correct that they had 2 children you know of ? Christopher 1829 & Margaret1854 ?
Christopher married an Elizabeth then Rhoda Smith ?
Margaret ( peggy) has to be correct asI know of her marriage etc to joseph Orchard
 I did not know about Christopher will follow that up, trhank you
 do you know anything more about James & eliza please they have been my stumbling block for so long

[selinat]

yes eliza married james smith. i am sorry if i confused you , sometimes i dont make things clear LOL just jabber on . yes a boy christopher , but eliza would of been a young mother, but it is pos. christopher went with a smith woman his dads people were smiths . i have read your posts about the scarrotts , i no were your coming from about stumbling blocks . they are a hard family to work out , who is who and who belongs to who. i will read up on what i have got and get back to you in the week . william scarrott married margaret whitehouse , margaret was the daughter of james whitehouse & theadocia whitehouse  rhoda smith died in 1912 she was 65

[tiggi]

Hi Selinat
Thank you for helping just to say yes Scarrott family are very hard to follow I have seen that many people have Theophilus Scarrott would be Keziah brother married to Rhoda Smith married 3rd feb 1862 Great Stanmore middlesex his 1st wife as Valentine Brinkley, could it be same woman maybe Christropher died or something ?
I would love to know more if you can help have you got a birth date for eliza or Christropher ?

[tiggi]

UPDATE FOR KERILANE

1861 Census
Gideon Davis   Head               33  Tinker & Grinder    b 1828 Brisley Gloucestershire
Harriet Orchard                       50  Housekeeper        b 1811 Oxfordshire
Thomas                                    15                              b 1846  Dorcestershire Oxfordshire
Rachel                                      12                              b 1849 Fants Sutton
Joseph                                       9                               b 1852 Hanwell Berks
Mary                                         9                               b 1852 Hanwell Berks
Jonathan                                   6                               b 1855 Fullbrook Oxfordshire

Gideon Davis age has to be wrong surely just doesn;t seem possible he would marry Harriet when she is so much older, on your marriage certificate what was his age at marriage ?

1871 Census Fullbrook Oxfordshire
Thomas Orchard 25 married   Tinplate worker bDocestershire Oxfordshire  1846
Mary A Orchard 21  b Shipton Oxfordshire  1850
Arthur Orchard    2 b  Fullbrook Oxfordshire         1869
William Jno Orchard  10mth b  Fullbroook Oxfordshire 1870
Elizbeth Taylor  36   b Shipton  Oxfordshire            1835
Jane         17            b  Shipton Oxfordshire            1854
George    15             b Stow Gloucestershire            1856
James      12             b  Fullbrook Oxfordshire         1859
Tamar (F)9                b Fullbrook Oxfordshire          1862
Noah       7                b  Fullbrook oxfordshire           1864
Emma     5                 b Fullbrook Oxfordshire           1866 
Alice     5mths           b FullbrookOxfordshire 1870                 


1881 Census Fulbrook Oxfordshire
Thomas Orchard   35 b 1846 Dorcestershire Dorset
Mary                     32 b 1849 Shipton Oxfordshire
Clare                     13 b 1868 Fulbrook
Arthur                   12 b 1869 Fulbrook
William                10 b 1871 Fulbrook
Alice                      8 b 1873 Fulbrook
Rachel                   5 b 1876 Fulbrook
John                      3 b 1878 Fulbrook
Christiana             1 b 1880 Fulbrook
George Taylor     51 b 1830 Shipton Oxfordshire
Elizabeth              51 b 1830 Shipton
James                   23 b 1858 Fulbrook
Emily                   15 b 1866 Fulbrook
Noah                    16 b 1865 Fulbrook
Alice                     9 b 1871 Fulbrook

     
 
1891 Census   Bourton -on-water Gloucestershire
Thomas Orchard  43 (Widowed) b 1848 Oxon Worcestershire (Tin plate worker)
John                     14 b 1877 Fulbrook  Ag Lab
Ada                      13 b 1878 Fulbrook
Eliza                      6 b  1885 Fulbrook
Maria Pettifer     28 b 1863 Barrington Gloucestershire
George E             2 b  1889 Burford gloucestershire
Frank                   4 b 1887 Fulbrook
Harry                   0 b 1891 Fulbrook

1901 Bourton -on-water Gloucestershire
Thomas Orchard  53 b 1848
Maria                    38 b 1863
Emily                    16 b 1885
Thomas Pettifer    16  b 1865  (Stepson0
Elizabeth              15  b 1886
Frank                    13 b 1888
George Pettifer    11 b 1890 Stepson
Harry      10 b 1891
Ethel        7 b 1894
Percy       4 b 1897
Daisy       3 b 1898
Fredrick  8mths b 1900   

found this :
Pettifer/Pettyfer  family:
  Edward Pettyfer 1718 2nd marriage to Sarah Broadest, their son Edward b 1752 m Elizabeth Wright, they had son James Pettyfer b1786
 William Pettyfer b1756 m Anne Carpenter from Bampton moved to Windrush then Great Barrington, there is an Edward & Lucy Pettyfer in Great Barrington mentioned, also says many gravestones for Pettifer/Pettyfer family in Church  in Bampton.
Joseph Pettyfer 1813 Bampton son James Pettyfer b 1839 only boy had 5 sisters, James became  Stone mason, had son Charles Henry Pettyfer 1875
brooks061-props@yahoo.co.uk.
Try contacting the person may help you with Pettifer family

[tiggi]

I ment to add I was wondering if parents of Thomas wife Mary Anne was actually George & Elizabeth Taylor as they are with them in 1871 & 1881

[selinat]

Hi Selinat
Thank you for helping just to say yes Scarrott family are very hard to follow I have seen that many people have Theophilus Scarrott would be Keziah brother married to Rhoda Smith married 3rd feb 1862 Great Stanmore middlesex his 1st wife as Valentine Brinkley, could it be same woman maybe Christropher died or something ?
I would love to know more if you can help have you got a birth date for eliza or Christropher ?

hiya . keziah had 2 brothers called Theophilus ( 1837-1839) & (1839-1871)
Theophilus scarrott married Rhoda Smith 3rd Feb 1862 from that marriage 3 children that i no about Conceletta ( 1863-1944), Frederick (1865-1877) & William (1866) . Theophilus Scarrott died between (1871-1878) . keziah also had a brother Frederick who had 2 marriages both to smith women. i have not come across valentine brinkley but i will look at my information again for you