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Hello,
I'm trying to find the parents of Mary Hyder and her husband William Matson who married on the 14th October 1781 at St. Leonard's Church, Deal.
I know that William owned Upper Deal Mill and was both a miller and baker.
I've been looking around for any Matsons who were Millers and have found a possibility -
William MATSON (son of James MATSON of St Margaret's at Cliffe, yeoman)  by Indenture 1 May 1714 with consent of his father was apprenticed to Robert HATTON of Dover, Baker, for 7 years;  consideration £15 paid to the master. Enrolled 4 Jan 1714-15  (Dover Apprentice Enrollments, Kent Co. Archives)
A William Matson (Baker) is made a Freeman of Dover on the 26th July 1722 by apprenticeship (Folio 3).
Could it be possible that William Matson (a Baker and Miller at Upper Deal) who was married to Mary Hyder in 1781, and therefore probably born about 1755-60, may be the grandson of the William referred to in the above indenture?
William Matson (the one in the indenture) was christened 15th December 1695 at St. Lawrence, Hougham. Can anyone help with a record of his marriage and any records of children, hopefully including the father of William the miller from Upper Deal? Perhaps his wife's origin may also be a clue?
Perhaps we can solve the mystery.
All help gratefully received.
MATSON-East Kent.  HURST- Oxfordshire.

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Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 03 June 08 19:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Rog

In case you don't already know, Dover library has all the local parish records, including (I think) Hougham, and Deal library has them for their churches.

Bill
Banks, Beer, Bowes, Castle, Cloak, Coachworth, Dixon, Farr, Golder, Graves, Hicks, Hogbin, Holmans, Marsh, Mummery, Nutting, Pierce, Rouse, Sawyer, Sharp, Snell, Willis: mostly in East Kent.
Ey, Sawyer: London
Evans: Ystradgynlais, Wales
Snell: Snettisham, Norfolk
Knight, Burgess, Ellis: Hampshire
Purdy: Ireland/Canada/Durham/Pennsylvania
McCann: Ireland
Morrow: Pennsylvania
Sparnon: any
Beers, Heath, Conyers, Miller, Russell, Larson, Clark, Sibert, Hopper, Reinhart: USA

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Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 June 08 11:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Rog

In case you don't already know, Dover library has all the local parish records, including (I think) Hougham, and Deal library has them for their churches.

Bill

Thanks Bill.
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Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 09 November 08 22:48 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

I have posted some information on William Matson and Mary Hyder at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,306781.0.html

Mary Hyder is the daughter Thomas Hyder and Ann Burville.  She is the eldest of 6 known children.

Thomas Hyder/Hider and Ann Burville were married by Banns on 29 Oct 1759 at St Marys, Hinxhill, Kent England.  Witneses Richard Hider, John Andrews

Thomas Hyder/Hider (b.circa 1731, d.1 Nov 1813, buried Charing, Kent) - son of Thomas Hyder/Hider - b.c1700 - d.19 Mar 1777, buried Hothfield, Kent) and Mary unknown (b.c.1694 d.17 May 1775 Hothfield)
- only brother of Richard Hyder b.c.1737 - d.12 Apr 1809, buried 17 Apr 1809 Hothfield, unmarried (with parents)) 
- married Ann Burville (b.c.1733 - d.9 July 1795 Charing - parents unknown) by Banns on 29 Oct 1759 at St Marys, Hinxhill, Kent England.  Witneses Richard Hider, John Andrews

Children
1. Thomas HYDER-29795 (b.Est 1731-Of Bethersden,Kent,England d.1 Nov 1813-Charing,Kent,England)
sp: Ann BURVILL-29850 (b.Est 1733-Of Hinxhill,Ashford,Kent,England m.29 Oct 1759 d.9 Jul 1795-Charing,Kent,England)
  |-2. Mary HYDER-29851 (b.Abt 1760-Bethersden,Kent,England d.Jan 1845-Deal,Kent,England)
  | sp: UNKNOWN-31837
  | sp: William MATSON-29856 (b.Est 1764-Of Deal m.13 Oct 1781 d.Oct 1826-MIddle Street,Deal,Kent,England)
  |-2. Richard HIDER-24138 (b.Abt 1761-Of Molash,Kent,England)
  | sp: Elizabeth -24139 (b.England)
  |-2. Thomas HYDER-29797 (b.Abt 1762-Bethersden,Kent,England d.22 Dec 1845-Charing,Kent,England)
  | sp: Mary HODGES-29794 (b.Est 1766-Of Smarden,Kent,England m.27 Dec 1784 d.22 Oct 1831-Charing,Kent,England)
  |-2. Ann HYDER-29852 (r.28 Apr 1765-Bethersden,Kent,England d.Bef 1811)
  | sp: DUFFY-31179
  | sp: Thomas LOFTUS-29869 (b.Est 1752 d.13 May 1804-Charing,Kent,England)
  |-2. Catherine HYDER-29854 (r.2 Oct 1768-Bethersden,Kent,England d.Aug 1815-St Georges,Deal,Kent,England)
  | sp: Thomas BAYLEY-1359 (b.Est 1761-Kent,England d.Dec 1842-Deal,Kent,England)
  +-2. Elizabeth HYDER-29855 (r.29 Mar 1772-Bethersden,Kent,England d.23 Apr 1842-Ashford,Kent,England)
    sp: Richard SLAUGHTER-29873 (b.Abt 1775-Ashford,Kent,England m.11 Mar 1799 d.17 Sep 1811-Charing,Kent,England)

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Thorby


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Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 25 November 14 05:07 GMT (UK) »
thomas hyder born 1732 baptised in selling kent england on 28th nov 1732 was the son of EDWARD and ANN hyder. 
edward born 5th nov 1698 selling kent england baptised 15th nov 1698
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Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 25 November 14 14:08 GMT (UK) »
That's interesting as it may give some info which goes back further for the Hyder family.
It raises a possible problem with the data we have though as we have Thomas Hyder born abt 1700 marrying Mary... and having two known children Thomas born 1731 and Richard born about 1737.
I wonder if the two Thomas Hyders are the same person?
If they're the same people then perhaps Thomas Hyder, born 1732 and married to Ann Burville was not the son of Thomas Hyder and Mary but Edward and Ann Hyder.
Perhaps Thomas Hyder, born about  1700 an married to Mary had a brother named Edward?
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Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 25 November 14 23:09 GMT (UK) »
EDWARD HYDER snr  bap.5th dec 1669 Ashford Kent (son of Thomas Hyder and Mary Austen) died 16th feb 1728 Selling Kent England aged 59 yrs (i have a copy of his will) occupation: Butcher,  married on 8th july 1694 Chilham Kent England to JANE HUKINS bap.13th sept 1674 Chilham Kent England buried on 23rd feb 1742 Selling Parish Canterbury England (daughter of William & Jane Hukins), I also have a gravestone picture of this family stating their children etc, their children all born Selling Kent:

MARY bap.5th april 1697 Selling Kent England
WILLIAM born 3rd june 1695 Selling Kent England bap.13th june 1695 Selling Kent England, died 25th feb 1712 buried 28th feb Selling Kent England
THOMAS bap. 12th Jan 1700 Selling Kent England
ALICE bap. 9th sept 1702 Selling Kent England
EDWARD HYDER Jnr born 5th nov 1698 Selling Kent England bap.15th nov 1698 Selling Kent England married  Ann ?? (can not find a record for their marriage so dont know her last name), one of their children:

THOMAS HYDER bap.28th nov 1732 at Selling Kent England died 1st nov 1813 Charing Kent occupation carpenter, married on 29th oct 1759 Hinxhill Kent England to Ann Borville/Burvile/Burvill born abt 1731 died 9th july 1795 buried on 16/7/1795 at Charing Kent England aged 64 yrs,

Edward Snr and his wife all had children born in Selling Kent they died there and and same with edward Jnr and his wife Ann, their children were all born at Selling Kent, no children were born at HOTHFIELD


Inscription of Edward Snr and Jane Hyder's tombstone at Selling Kent England:
Here lieth the Body of Edw: Hyder late of this Parish who had issue by Jane his wife, 3 Sons & 2 Daugh: he died Feb 16: 1728. Aged 59 Y. This Stone was Erected by Jane his wife. Also the Body of Will: Hyder at the right hand of his Father. Edw. Hyder & Jane his wife he died Feb 25th 1712. Aged 16 Years 9 m. and by him/ lieth his 2 sisters Viz: Mary & Alice
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Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 27 November 14 15:21 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the really good information. My research is into the Matson family, but it's good to have the info on where other families link in.
Mary Hyder (1750-1845), daughter of Thomas Hyder and Ann Burville, married William Matson (1762-1826) in 1781 in Deal.
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Re: Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 27 November 14 18:47 GMT (UK) »
Have you checked the baptisms of children to William and Mary Matson in Deal? ???

The reason I ask is there are a series of such between January 1784 and December 1801.  If all of these are from the same father and have the same mother (i.e. Mary Hyder) born in 1750 you may understand the reasoning behind my query.  ???

A concerned,
Tony  :-\