Hyder family in East Kent about 1750-1820. Mary and husband William

[AJ100]

Hello doverrog,
Details of Tregenow/Tregenoe offspring from Eleazar and Micha/Michell as requested.
All were baptised at St Leonard's, Deal and the dates are of baptism, not birth. There is nop mention of the family before or after these entries, implying that they moved away.
30/4/1648    Andrew      12/10/1657  John
12/19/1651  Thomas      20/2/1659    Valentine  (born 18/2/1659)
  9/1/1653    Ann           19/11/1665  William
21/8/1655    Eleazar       16/1/1669    Margaret

The first Matson to be baptised in Deal was William in 1699, son of William & Mary. The only others were two Maragrets 1701 & 1705 born to William & Margaret.
Then no more until John, Mary & Robert were born in 1738/34/35 respec to Robert & Matlida.
Sorry can't be of more help,
Regards

AJ

[doverrog]

Many thanks again AJ.
So many with the same names!

i have an 'unplaced' William Matson who died Sept 1804 at Ripple/Walmer I don't suppose you have anything about him?
Also 'unplaced' I have - 4 March 1780 William MATSON,  otp to Hannah SUTTON, X otp by Banns
Witnesses; Richard CLEMENT & John CAVEL.
An Ann Sutton appears in the 1851 census unmarried aged 18 a Millers Apprentice born Whitfield and living with the widow Mary Matson and family at Upper Deal Mill. So there is a later connection between the families and once again I've not been able to work out which William Hannah married in 1780.

Sorry to keep picking your brains.

[AJ100]

no need to apologise, doverrog, happy to help if I can.
I can find no record in the church records of a William Matson being buried at either Walmer or Ringwould in 1804 or anywhere near it.

Re William Matson marriages.
William Matson married Hanna Sutton at St Leonard's 4/3/1780
William Matson maried Mary Hyder at St Leonard's 14/10/1781

Looking at the records index, there are 9 children baptised to William & Mary nee Hyder at St George's in Deal betwen 1784 and 1801. Proof of this is Richard Hyder Matson baptised 21/6/1787.

There are no children listed as being baptised to William & Hanna nee Sutton implying that either they had no children or moved away.

William (and Mary)Matson is listed in the baptism records as being a Miller from Upper Deal Mill.
William Died 10/4/1842 aged 68 and is buried at St Leonard's.

The only possible origin for William, if he was local, is a William Matson born in Walmer 10/2/1750 to William & May nee Redman. He had 3 siblings - Robert, Mary and Anne. It is possble he was the one who married Hanna Sutton but no concrete proof either way.
Hope this might be of some help.

Regards

AJ

[redtonyt]

There is a William Matson buried on 30 September 1804 at Ringwould, noted to be from Deal.  No other information on the Register. 

Tony 

[doverrog]

The William Matson burial was from the IGI and is the one in your latest message. Could be any of them!
In the same year I have a marriage of William Matson to Mary Woodhouse 4th October 1804 at Walmer and they are another of my 'unplaced' couples.
The further info re "The only possible origin for William, if he was local, is a William Matson born in Walmer 10/2/1750 to William & May nee Redman. He had 3 siblings - Robert, Mary and Anne. It is possble he was the one who married Hanna Sutton but no concrete proof either way." is really interesting as it's this branch of millers and bakers I'm trying to tie in.
Do you have the details of the marriage for William Matson and May Redman? I had her name as "May" and no marriage date.
Also I have 4 children for this couple - William christened 14th Sept.1746 at St.Mary's, Walmer, - Mary christened 25th December 1748 at St.Mary's - another William christened 10th February 1750 (implying the 1746 one may have died) -  and Anne christened 15th Sept.1754. I don't have a Robert as a child though. The only Robert, I have who may fit, is Robert christened 16th Sept.1751 at St.Mary's who I have as a son of John Matson 1724-? and Anne Upton (no dates) who married at St.Leonards 27th June 1747 and had 10 children.
Can you help again?

[redtonyt]

Marriage by Banns of William Matson to Mary Redman was 2 November 1745 at Walmer and both were said to be of the Parish.

Tony

[doverrog]

Thanks again Tony.
Do you have a birth record for Mary Redman and possibly a death record for William and Mary?
I know I'm taking a lot of your time but I wonder if you also may have a marriage date for James Matson and Susanna ? probably in Hougham around 1789 ish or later? They had 10 children.

[AJ100]

As Tony says, William  Matson Married Mary Redman at St Mary's, Walmer 2/11/1745. The only candidate among the large contngent of Redmans in Walmer is Mary baptised 7/9/1718 to Robert & Mary Redman. That's if the was born there. William was not.
Re William & Mary's offspring: Not sure about the 2 Williams you have there. The transcript of the parish records I have show the following baptisms:
14/9/1746   Richard not William
25/12/1748  Mary
10/2/1750  William
15/9/1754  Anne

John Matson married Anne Upton at St Mary's 27/6/1747. Both of Walmer.
There were 2 Roberts baptised at Walmer. Robert s/o John & Anne (1751) and Robert s/o Wililam & Mary (1746).
Regards

AJ

[redtonyt]

I have the same baptism, for Mary Redman, as AJ plus five other possibles from the surrounding parishes.

As to her death, I have this burial at Walmer:-
Mary Matson 14 December 1755, husband William

This burial is followed on 24 January 1756 with the burial of Mary Matson, father William!

As to the death of William Matson, there are two burials at Walmer the first:-
1782 Mar 12 William Matson from Deal, and the second:-
1784 Dec 31 William Matson

Here is a piece of pure speculation; there is a long gap after Mary's death before a marriage (by Licence) of William Matson (possible the above) a Widower, to Sarah Blown in 1764.  Then there is a burial for a Sarah Matson at Walmer dated 14 December 1783 from Deal! 

I have not been able to find a marriage of a James Matson to Susanna.

Tony