Surname in question - Broggy / Brophy

[bushpoet]

You're telling me.

Convict records show him as William Broggy, ships indents 1828, ticket of leave 1833, certificate of freedom 1835.

The birth/baptism records of his two children show Brophy, Michael 1839 and Margaret 1843.

and his death records 1844 shows William Brophy and he arrived via the Governor Ready.

There was no William Brophy on the Governor Ready but indents show William Broggy.

Would be great to get some details from an orginal conviction ... but where?

Appreciate your posts.


Merv

[Oaks and Acorns]

There are old newspaper microfilms going back to the mid 1700's. See here:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/08ov/

Somebody on here might oblige you on their next visit to the National Library.

Dara.

[bushpoet]

Thank you Dara.

[bushpoet]

Well it's been a while but I've recently found a Broggy family at Derrymore and have been following their line back.

Got back to a Matthew Henry Broggy born about 1843.

I've two records for his marriage.

Name:   Ellen Thorn 
Matthew Broggie
Date of Registration:   1865
Registration district:   Cork, Ireland
Volume:   10
Page Number:   72
FHL Film Number:   101249

Name   Matthew Broffie
Spouse's Name   Ellen Thorn
Event Date   04 Apr 1865
Event Place   St Anne Shandon, Cork, Ireland
Father's Name   Daniel Broffie
Spouse's Father's Name   Robert Thorn

I believe the two records refer to the same marriage.

The latter reveals Matthew's father as Daniel.

I found another record but it had no records to authenticate it but it suggests that
Matthew's parents may have been

Daniel and Bridget [Omeara] Broggy.

One might assume that Matthew's father Daniel would have been at least 20 yrs when he married so that would bring his birth back to around 1820's.

Can anyone help authenticate the record at all please.

[dathai]

noticed by 1911 they are Bruggy's
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Clare/Killeely/Derry_More/367202/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Limerick_North/Clonconane/624727/

1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Killeely/Derrymore/1083941/

tithe applotments 1833 Danl Bruggy
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625673/004625673_00065.pdf

Death
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRTV-Y3J

[bushpoet]

G'day dathai,

Appreciate your reply.

The first 1911 census shows Matthew Henry born 1866 and his two children.
Surprised that his wife Catherine who is on the 1901 census is not there.  She died in 1940.


The second 1911 census  was helpful as I have that family line on record but it showed me that their first child Matthew must have died as he was born in 1903 but not mentioned in 1911.

The 1901 Census I was aware of .

The 1833 Tithe Applotment record puts Daniel in Derrymore.  That's great as the family seems to have been farming there all through these years.

Just have to nut out Matthew Henry 1911 census.

Once again many thanks for the help.

Finding records pre 1850's is hard work.

I'm hoping by following this line I might work back to the 1800's and find a connection to my ggggrandfather William Broggy who was born 1804/5 and tried in Limerick in 1828.

[dathai]

might be Catherine 1911 as Kate
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Emlygrennan/Cush/620306/

son Matthew
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTFK-RM9

[bushpoet]

Hi dathai,

The record of Kate at the Gubbins residence makes sense and tallies with what I know.

It appears that Catherine was married to a Thomas Frost before Matthew, and the William Shaughnessy in the 1901 record was her son to him.

I had wondered if Matthew and Catherine had anymore children then Ellen B1902 and Matthew Jnr B1903. but it looks like with the two marriages there were three in all.

Interesting that the surname Frost appears in the Griffiths Valuation as the Lessor to land worked by a Daniel and Patrick Broggy.

Ireland, Griffith’s Valuation, 1847-1864
Clare,  Bunratty, Lower  Killeely
 
Occupier:   Daniel Broggy
Lessor:   James Frost
County:   Clare
Barony:   Bunratty, Lower
Parish:   Killeely
Townland:   Derrymore
OS Page Numbers:   52 and 62
Occupier:   Patrick Broggy
Lessor:   James Frost
County:   Clare
Barony:   Bunratty, Lower
Parish:   Killeely
Townland:   Derrymore
OS Page Numbers:   52 and 62

I wonder if Catherine's Thomas Frost is related to James Frost the Lessor and that Matthew B1843 knew Catherine because the Daniel above was his father?  Interesting. 

Once again appreciate your help.

[bushpoet]

I had wondered if Matthew and Catherine had anymore children then Ellen B1902 and Matthew Jnr B1903. but it looks like with the two marriages there were three in all.


I'll retract that as I've found that Catherine had more children than William. 

Makes sense why she only had the two to Matthew.

Still working through this relationship with Thomas Frost and it seems that James Frost was his father.