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Topic: Unknown War Memorial: Salford? (Read 358 times)
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emmsthheight
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Hi
This is really a local query to Lancashire, but as we're not getting anywhere yet, I was hoping there might be an expert who knows the area on here.
I have a photocopy from an old family photograph of a War Memorial which I think has to be from the Manchester/Salford area, almost cetainly Lancashire. I thought it would be a simople question to ask my family and Rootschatters where it was and hopefully is! But it wasn't!
I'm going to try and copy it on here, but would any kind person with any ideas answer on the link please to stop me doubling up?
We reckon many of the names come from the vicinity of Collyhurst.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,309450.0.html
Thank you and best wishes
Emms
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mmm45
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You could try matching some of the visible names listed to data off CWGC next of Kins or SDGW listings should at least give you a starting point.
***Having just read the other link i see thats been done and it aint as simple as that!**
I get the same sort of hits Manchester/Burnley /Rochdale areas
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emmsthheight
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Hi
Thank you very much for trying.
Emms
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manmack
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thats collyhurst war memorial.
it was probably dismantled and rebuilt,when they demolished the housing that surrounded it,but it doesnt appear to have been put back in its original state
mack
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military history,mainly ww1,manchester pals battalions,tyneside irish +tyneside scottish brigades,leeds,liverpool,accrington,birmingham,hull,barnsley,swansea and salford pals.
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emmsthheight
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Posts: 1893
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Hi Mack
Thank you for the reply.
Actually, we have eventually found it on the other thread. It will probably be ridiculous to you, but it's taken us over a week and five boards. It's provided a lot of fun and brain exercise though!
In fact I say we, but all I've done is ask the question and throw in the odd coimment! I did look at a couple of other boards with Collyhurst on them, but they never had the right names on! Eventually we discovered what you could have told us that there are names on other sides.
thank you for telling me about the rebuildingm, though. I couldn't help wondering even though I've only ever seen my own old photo!
Thank you and best woshes
Emms
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manmack
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Hi Mack
Thank you for the reply.
Actually, we have eventually found it on the other thread. It will probably be ridiculous to you, but it's taken us over a week and five boards. It's provided a lot of fun and brain exercise though!
In fact I say we, but all I've done is ask the question and throw in the odd coimment! I did look at a couple of other boards with Collyhurst on them, but they never had the right names on! Eventually we discovered what you could have told us that there are names on other sides.
thank you for telling me about the rebuildingm, though. I couldn't help wondering even though I've only ever seen my own old photo!
Thank you and best woshes
Emms
it doesnt matter if it took you a month,the main thing,is that you solved it.
theres another mystery surrounding this memorial,theres a serviceman called rainswell listed on it,there was nobody with this name,who died in WW1.
he may have been overlooked by the CWGC.
mack
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emmsthheight
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Posts: 1893
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Hi Mack
Thank you for telling me about that. It's quite an unussual name. I know a friend's family with a less well name are often misspelt, and even written completely differently.
Best wishes
Emms
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emmsthheight
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By the way, if you or anyone reading who isn't as familiar are interested, Ken has put a much better photo's on the link.
Manchester City Council and Channel four seem to think there are fifty odd names. You could multiply that up quite a few times.
I wonder if that name's been miswritten. I wonder----
Best wishes
Emms
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manmack
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hiya emms,
i have tried every permantation that i can think of,but nowt comes up that comes close to a name that matches.
i typed rainswell into the search engine on ancestry.
and in ALL the datbases,there was only one person on the planet,with that name,she was florence rainswell.[1891 census]
the spooky thing is,that according to the census/records
she came from nowhere,went nowhere,never married,wasnt born and didnt die,she had no parents,siblings,aunts,uncles or cousins.
emms.
i noticed channel 4 list,like you said,its way out,,theres around 440 names on the memorial.
mack 
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emmsthheight
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Posts: 1893
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Hi Mack
You've got me intrigued now.
By the way, where was the Florence you found? I know another name a bit like this with a Florence link, but I think she'd be too young.
The one you are looking for, couldn't be Alfred Rosewell, could it? Moss Side, Son of Alfred and Annie? Manchester Regiment? A few more details, given.
This was one of the few surnames in my Kelly's 1953/4 Manchester, Saford & Eccles, that stood a chance of being misread from hurried handwriting and debrid of war plus age! And from my own umusual name -friend's relative, my research - I realise there were endless quite different names used for the same family.
Quite a lot of Rosewells, though!
Best wishes
Emms
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Guy Etchells
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Is there any chance it could be-
RAINFORD, T., Corpl., 7th King's (Liverpool Regt.)
Volunteering in June 1915, he proceeded to Gallipoli, and, after serving in important engagements, was wounded and invalided home. In July 1917 he was drafted to the Western Front, where he was in action in the Battles of Ypres, Passchendaele, the Somme, and Bapaume, and took part in operations in the Givenchy and Bethune sectors. He was demobilised in February 1919, and holds the 1914-15 Star, and the General Service and Victory Medals.
13, Queen Street, Eccles.
Eccles and Collyhurst are not far apart.
Cheers
Guy
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emmsthheight
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Posts: 1893
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And of course CWGC told me when I rang them that the addresses given are those given later by family and might not be where they were actually living at the time. they could have moved, it could just be the parents address etc.
If they just had to "From" the area, they could have gone anywhere by the war.
One person I know is on a war memorial here, he was born here, to parents from away, moved to Canada as a young person, married someone local to here, and was killed in action, but he would still have been seen as a son of the parish and is on the war memorial at the church.
Emms
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