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« Reply #9 on: Thursday 19 June 08 00:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Vivien459,

A big welcome to RootsChat.  ;D

Here is a little I can tell you about your husband's line - Constantine Bradford JOHNS was baptised in Crantock on the 19 May 1886 son of Thomas Martyn Johns and Maria Annie Tremaine. In the 1891 census he can be found with his mother and some siblings at his grandmother Jane Tremaine's home in St Column Minor, while his father (described as a farmer) and some siblings are in Gloucestershire at the home of his uncle  (mums brother) William H Tremaine. By 1901 the family are living in Cheltenham. Thomas is now described as "living on own means"

Now Thomas was not the son of John Bradford Johns and Mary Humphrey but rather the son of his brother Constantine Bradford Johns and Mary Martyn. Constantine Bradford Johns married twice - both of his wives were named Mary Martyn

If Hubby's family have any questions please ask

Cheers Kris  :D
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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 19 June 08 03:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Kris, once again!

I noticed when like you I was tracing Vivien459's tree that there appears to be a Constantine B Johns son of Thomas M Johns born c1873 (1881 census) and another born 1886. Did the first one die?

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« Reply #11 on: Thursday 19 June 08 04:04 BST (UK) »
Hi again Ding,

I have 9 children to Thomas and Marie Annie.

Constantine Bradford JOHNS 1 bap 7 Jan 1873 Crantock father gentleman of Trevella (I forgot to say in previous post but Constantine B 2 baptism father was described same - gentleman of Trevella)

he was buried 1 Nov 1882 Crantock aged 9 years and 11 months of Trevella.

I note Vivien refers to them as M-J and I do note the name does appear to have become hyphenated with this branch of the family.

Cheers Kris  :D
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« Reply #12 on: Thursday 19 June 08 13:09 BST (UK) »
Dear Kris - and others

I'm another descendant of the Martyns of St Columb Minor - one of my
g4grandmothers being Mary Martyn (1770-1845), daughter of John M
and Gertrude Hiscutt.  She married James Liddell (ca. 1765-1839),
who started a family business as printer and stationer in Bodmin in
about 1787 that lasted well into the 20th C.
They married in St Columb Minor in 1793, and had 10 children
(and about 40 grandchildren- virtually all the 19th C  Liddells
in Cornwall are descended from them - so much easier to sort than
all those Martyns!).  Their 4th son, William Liddell (1802-1854), was a
surgeon who emigrated to Madras with his family in 1833 and became
Coroner of Madras; the attached photo is of his eledest daughter,
my g2grandmother, Susan Gertrude Liddell (1828-1911), probably
from around the time of her marriage in 1847 to a scottish east
india merchant, George Walker (1818-1904).  I have a diary of
theirs for 1860-63, when they were living in Wimbledon (with
George still running his company in Madras).

To return to the Martyns, I would love to see the window inscription
mentioned, and the tree showing descent from Thomas Martyn and
Gertrude Turnavine.

Most of what I know about the Martyns is based on Marianne Eastgate's
web pages -
http://awt.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=:1501551&id=I8&ti=5538
- which seems to be mostly accurate, though with a few minor errors.

Three questions:
1) ME's web pages give descent of both Thomas Martyn and
Gertrude Turnavine from the Mundy family of Ryalton (his mother,
one of her grannies), who came to Cornwall about 1540 from London,
where the ancestors included 5 Lord Mayors, including the Edward Shaa,
who is the Lord Mayor in Shakespeare's Richard III.
Do you think this line of descent is sound?!
2) ME gives Thomas M's dates as 1668-1774, implying he lived to 106
- can this be right, or is he being confused with another member of the
family?
3) Do you know the occupations or dwellings of the 18th C Martyns?
ME gives a few - e.g. Mary's brother Thomas, b 1774, was apparently
a doctor, as were two of his sons - one appears in the Wimbledon diary).
Also, her sister Gertrude married Samuel Symons (1769-1820), tenant
of Trerice, a manor now owned by the National Trust; and her youngest
brother Silas Edward M married a sister of the Samuel Symons (1779-1854)
who built the folly of Doyden Castle, also now owned by the National Trust.
I'd be particularly interested in any info on the direct line, i.e. John
-> Joseph -> Thomas -> ...

With best wishes

Denis Mollison

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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 19 June 08 22:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Denis,

A big Welcome to Cornwall  ;D

Firstly what a lovely photo of Susan Gertrude Liddell. I knew nothing of William LIDDELL other than his baptism. I am going to split this to a separate thread as Ding's original thread was about a different family - we just got a tad side tracked with the Martyns, and we seem to have many joining us.

I am really going to have to study what you are saying and get back to you.

For Now - The Martyn Window I can show you. We became aware of this window as a chap I was helping had an old photo taken by his family when the returned to Cornwall on a visit in 1906. The Photo was titled The Martyn Window. I found mention of it in a book also and contacted the St Columb Minor Parish Church. The Parish Priest initially did not think the window was dedicated to a family as it depicted the resurrection but when he got a proper look sure enough it was there. The Window is the prominent window in the Church directly above the altar. Here is Peter's 1906 Photo

This New Photo was kindly provided by Chris the Parish Priest. The Martyn Window is in need of repair so if anybody connected to the family would like to see this piece of Martyn History preserved and is in the position to help, I am sure Chris would be delighted to hear from you.  ;)

I did a biography for him at the time on William Martyn. Peter - the John and Gertrude descendant I was working with at the time is in Cornwall at the moment, so I look forward to hearing from him when he returns. I am sure he will have visited the Church. He was also hoping to learn more of the properties his family owned.

The full size of this photo is huge. 4.2 mb. The inscription is clearly visible

"TO THE GLORY OF GOD AND IN MEMORY OF WILLIAM AND ELIZABETH MARTYN OF TREVITHIC AND THEIR FAMILY
 CHIEFLY THE OFFERING OF CAROLINE THEIR DAUGHTER IN THE YEAR OF GRACE MDCCCXC"

Cheers For Now................Kris  :D



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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #14 on: Monday 23 June 08 10:40 BST (UK) »
Hi all,

One query I had in looking at Marianne's tree compared with another tree (celtic-casimir) covering part of the same family, is who were the parents of Gertrude Bonython (mother of Gertrude Turnavine)?  Gertrude Bonython married Nicholas Turnavine 19 Dec 1656 in St Columb Minor.  Marianne has Gertrude's parents as John Bonython and Margery Tresilian.  Celic-casimir has Gertrude's parents as John Bonython of Carclew and Gertrude De Burton.

Both tree's have the christening of Gertrude Bonython 2 Jun 1625 at St Columb Minor.  I think the issue is really which John Bonython was the mother of Gertrude.

Any Thoughts

Kilmartin



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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #15 on: Monday 23 June 08 11:56 BST (UK) »
Hi kilmartin

Gertrude BONYTHON bap 2 Jun 1625 St Columb Minor father John

John BONYTHON Gent = Margery TRESILIAN Gent 8 Jan 1606 Newlyn East

John BONYTHON esquire = Mrs Gertrude BURTON 4 Dec 1648 Newlyn East

I believe John who married Gertrude Burton was probably Gertrude's Brother - the son of John and Margery bap 4 Apr 1619 St Columb Minor

Cheers Kris  :D
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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #16 on: Monday 23 June 08 14:03 BST (UK) »
Thanks Kris,

That makes sense - it looks like the Carclew Bonythons were a different branch than the ones in St Columb minor.

Many Thanks
Kilmartin

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Re: MARTYN Family of St Columb Minor
« Reply #17 on: Friday 11 July 08 23:00 BST (UK) »
I'd like to thank you all of this extra information.
I never realised there was a window  :D How exciting, and the information on the William of Madras!

I am about to contact dmollison as I too have connections with the Martyn/Liddell line.

I know I've got Bonython's on my tree somewhere too, best go have a look. :)
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