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'Knights fees' ... what were they ?
« on: Saturday 28 June 08 12:50 BST (UK) »
Browsing on Google old books ... I found this:-

"The lands amounted to thirty-two knights fees ..."


There is an area of Monmouth called Kings Fee ... a similar explanation, maybe ?

Dorset/Wilts/Hants: Trowbridge Williams Sturney/Sturmey Prince Foyle/Foil Hoare Vincent Fripp/Frypp Triggle/Trygel Adams Hibige/Hibditch Riggs White Angel Cake 
C'wall/Devon/France/CANADA (Barkerville, B.C.): Pomeroy/Pomerai/Pomroy
Som'set: Clark(e) Fry
Durham: Law(e)
London: Hanham Poplett
Lancs/Cheshire/CANADA (Kelowna, B.C. & Sask): Stubbs Walmesley

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Re: 'Knights fees' ... what were they ?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 28 June 08 13:12 BST (UK) »
A Knight's Fee, in land measurement, was a variable measure which depended on the quality of the soil. It was considered to be the amount of land which could support a knight and his family for a year, and could be between 4 and 8 hides.

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Re: 'Knights fees' ... what were they ?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 28 June 08 13:16 BST (UK) »
A Knight's Fee, as an area of administration, was the area held by a knight for which he was obliged to perform military service, or Knight Service, to his immediate overlord.

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Re: 'Knights fees' ... what were they ?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 28 June 08 13:38 BST (UK) »
King's Fee just means that the estate belonged to the King.
In Feudal Law, Fee means an estate in land.
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Re: 'Knights fees' ... what were they ?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 28 June 08 13:46 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that Stan.

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could be between 4 and 8 hides.


... in English please ??
Dorset/Wilts/Hants: Trowbridge Williams Sturney/Sturmey Prince Foyle/Foil Hoare Vincent Fripp/Frypp Triggle/Trygel Adams Hibige/Hibditch Riggs White Angel Cake 
C'wall/Devon/France/CANADA (Barkerville, B.C.): Pomeroy/Pomerai/Pomroy
Som'set: Clark(e) Fry
Durham: Law(e)
London: Hanham Poplett
Lancs/Cheshire/CANADA (Kelowna, B.C. & Sask): Stubbs Walmesley

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Re: 'Knights fees' ... what were they ?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 28 June 08 14:08 BST (UK) »
HIDE (Lat. ‘hida, OE higid, hid or hiwisc, members of a household), is a measure of land.  In its earliest form the hide was the typical holding of the typical family. Gradually, this typical holding came to be regarded as containing 120 “acres “ (not 120 acres of 4840 sq. yds. each, but 120 times the amount of land which a plough team of eight oxen could plough in a single day).
The size was variable, depending on the soil quality. A hide of good arable land was smaller than a hide of poor quality, as it was primarily the amount considered adequate for the support of one family and dependants.
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Re: 'Knights fees' ... what were they ?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 28 June 08 14:11 BST (UK) »
So .... a knights fee was lets say about 5 hides; times that by what the oxen could plough; times that by my original question re 32 knights fees ...

... thats a BIG estate ! 

Goodness !!
Dorset/Wilts/Hants: Trowbridge Williams Sturney/Sturmey Prince Foyle/Foil Hoare Vincent Fripp/Frypp Triggle/Trygel Adams Hibige/Hibditch Riggs White Angel Cake 
C'wall/Devon/France/CANADA (Barkerville, B.C.): Pomeroy/Pomerai/Pomroy
Som'set: Clark(e) Fry
Durham: Law(e)
London: Hanham Poplett
Lancs/Cheshire/CANADA (Kelowna, B.C. & Sask): Stubbs Walmesley

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Re: 'Knights fees' ... what were they ?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 28 June 08 14:24 BST (UK) »
I reckon it was about 19,200 acres  :)

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Re: 'Knights fees' ... what were they ?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 28 June 08 14:26 BST (UK) »
To think I was just browsing about a very dubiously slightly possible family link ! 

Thanks anyway Stan; added a bit more to my knowledge today !    :D
Dorset/Wilts/Hants: Trowbridge Williams Sturney/Sturmey Prince Foyle/Foil Hoare Vincent Fripp/Frypp Triggle/Trygel Adams Hibige/Hibditch Riggs White Angel Cake 
C'wall/Devon/France/CANADA (Barkerville, B.C.): Pomeroy/Pomerai/Pomroy
Som'set: Clark(e) Fry
Durham: Law(e)
London: Hanham Poplett
Lancs/Cheshire/CANADA (Kelowna, B.C. & Sask): Stubbs Walmesley

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