Daniel Jones-Abergorlech

[gpaul]

Hi List,
Hoping that someone can help,looking for any info on Daniel Jones b.1811 married to a Rachel b.1821,sorry don't know her surname,or when they married.

He was living at Cwm Cwtta Abergorlech Llansawel Carmarthenshire.

This is the only info I have on the both of them,any info on these would be most appreciated.

Regards

gpaul

[osprey]

Well, the 1851 census gives Daniel a sister who seems to have married another Jones 

1851 Cwmcwtta, Hamlet of Edwins, Llansawel  HO107/2471 folio 8 pg 8
Daniel Jones head mar 40 famer of 110 acres b. Llanferchygan
Rachel wife 28 b. Llandingat
William son 1 b. Cylcwm
Mary sister widow 53 formerly farmer's wife b. Llanbyder
John Williams 25 ag servant b. Llanbyder
John Evans 17 ag servant b. Llanbyder
Rachel Jones 21 ag servant b. Rhos y corn

Possible marriage
Daniel Jones march qtr 1850 Llandilofawr vol 26 pg 701 with Rachel Edwards on the same page

[osprey]

  I was concentrating so much on Daniel's place of birth that I didn't notice it was Cardiganshire, not Carmarthenshire.       

1861 Cwmcwtta, Edwins(ford ?), Llansawel RG9/4127 folio 6 pg 5
Daniel Jones head mar 50 farmer of 113 acres employing 2 boys b. Cardiganshire, Llanfairdydogau
Rachel wife 37 b. Llandingat
William son 11 b. Cilycwm
John William 35 farm servant b. Llanbyther
David Jones 12 farm servant b. Pencarreg
Rachel Davies 19 farm servant b. Llanfynydd
Elinor Davies 14 far servant b. Talley

On second thoughts, this looks a more likely marriage as Llandovery registration district covered Llandingat and the marriage was more likely to have taken place in the bride's parish. 

Daniel Jones march qtr 1849 Llandovery vol 26 pg 657 with Rachel Thomas on the same page

Too many William Jones births registered Llandovery (also covered Cilycwm) to guess which one is correct.

I suspect Daniel's birth parish was Llanfair Clydogau, just over the county border and into Cardiganshire
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/LlanfairClydogau/

There is a possible baptism in Llandingat batch C099371 for Rachel Thomas 14/10/1823 daughter of John & Elizabeth, but marriage cert needed to find out her father's details.

modified - had left out Daniel's age 

[gpaul]

Thank you for the info osprey,my friend was over the moon with the work that you'd done,you couldn't do me another favour and see if you can find Daniel's parents,

cheers
gpaul

[osprey]

I'd already had a look for Daniel in Llanfair Clydogau, but he's not in the IGI batch for that parish, so it could be that he wasn't baptised there or that the family was non-conformist. Can't spot a suitable baptism for sister Mary in Llanybyther either, but the only IGI records from that parish are from Rhydybont Independent Dissenters and there's no knowing if they practised infant baptism.

With the proliferation of the surname Jones, it would be a more reliable method for your friend to get Daniel's marriage certificate first to get his father's details.

You could ask the archives in Aberystwyth about Daniel's baptism. They are very helpful although their response might not be instant
http://archifdy-ceredigion.org.uk/about.html

Daniel appears to have died between 1861 and 1865. Several possible death registrations for Daniel Jones in Llandilofawr. But if you can identify his death, it could be worth looking for a will - index is on
http://www.findmypast.com/DeathDutyStartSearchServlet

Do you need later census entries for Rachel? She is at Cwmcwtta until 1891 and I seem to remember there's a grandchild with her on one census.

 

[gpaul]

Hi osprey,that would be great if you could get Rachel in later census,I'll email my friend to and ask her to get a marriage certificate for her ggrandparents,and hopefully she'll get the info that she wants.

cheers

gpaul

[osprey]

1871 Cwmcwtta, Edwins, Llansawel RG10/5482 folio 5 pg 4
Rachel Jones head widow 49 farmer of 70 acres b. Llanfairarybryn
William son b. Cayo
John Williams 46 general farm servant b. Llanfynydd
David Morgans 12 farm servant b. Llanfynydd
Ann Evan 24 farm servant b. Llanfynydd
Rachel Williams 13 farm servant b. Llanybyther

1881 Cwmcwtta, Edwins RG11/5387 folio 4 pg 2
Rachel Jones head widow 58 farmer of 108 acres employing 5 servants b. Llandingat
John Williams 55 farm servant b. Llanbyther
Elias Evans 16 farm servant b. Llanybyther
Morgan Price 11 farm servant b. Llanfynyw(?)
Elizabeth Thomas 21 farm servant b. Llanbyther
Maria Thomas 17 farm servant b. Llanbyther
Emily Davies foster child 10 b. Llanfynyw
John Bowen nephew 26 farmer's son b. Cilycwm

1891 Cwmcwtta RG12/4508 folio 7 pg 5
Rachel Jones head widow 68 farmer b. Llandingat
John Williams 64 farm servant b. Llanybyther
David Williams 21 farm servant b. Llansawel
Daniel Davies 14 farm servant b. Llanybyther
Maria Thomas 27 general servant b. Llanybyther
Emily Davies 20 general servant b. Llansawel
Elizabeth Jones granddau 9 b. Llansawel

possible death registrations for Rachel
aged 71 march qtr 1893 Llandilofawr vol 11a pg 623
aged 72 dec qtr 1893 vol 11a pg 599

[gpaul]

Thanks osprey,my friend was very grateful for the info,will let you know how she gets on,again many thanks.


gpaul