Robert Lockett & Ellen Draper

[bodger]

I have the above couple marrying, Dec. 1863 Salford.

In the 1871 cen. Salford,  they are shown with his in laws, Joseph & Elizabeth Huddart,.

 In the 1861 cen. Joseph & Elizabeth are show with two sets of children, Ellen,b.1843, Elizabeth,b.1842, Draper,
 and three Huddart children, from this i assume that both Joseph & Elizabeth had previous marriages ?, or she had two children on her own

 Elizabeth is show has being born 1811, Kirkdale, Lancs ?.

I have looked for the Drapers in the 1851 cen, but can find no matches ?,
There is a possible marriage of John Draper & Elizabeth Phillipson, 1841 Lancs. BMD.?, but again i cannot match them in the 1851 cen.
Can anyone please find the Drapers in 1851?
                     Thank You Bodger

[CaroleW]

What was the name of Ellen Drapers father on her marriage certificate?

What was Ellen and Elizabeth's birthplace

If Ellen was b around 1843, a copy of her birth cert will show Elizabeth's maiden name

Alternatively - a copy of the Huddart/Draper marriage cert will shows Elizabeth's previous surname via her fathers name

[CaroleW]

If you check the 1851 for Joseph Huddart you will see he is married to a Mary A and all the Huddart children on the 1861 are from his first marriage.

Any re-marriage must have been between 1851-1861

If you check freebmd for a death for Mary A Huddart it will narrow the remarriage year down further

[CaroleW]

www.familysearch.org

ELLEN DRAPER  Christening:  26 SEP 1843   Saint Peter, Liverpool
Father:  JAMES DRAPER    Mother:  ELIZABETH

The only Joseph Huddart marriage to an Elizabeth on Lancs BMD was 1856 to Elizabeth Parr

If you check the 1861 - there is no other Joseph & Elizabeth Huddart except yours

[hol]

hello
in answer to your request i have 1851 census
elizabeth deaper head widow b 1812
elizabeth  daughter b 1842
ellen  b 1843.
living at 27 st andrews st ,mount pleasant,liverpool.
gets us somewhere now i think.
lee.
definately draper when you see it by the way

[bodger]

Thank you for the replies,
hol, i think you are correct, on the original it is Draper, mis transcription ?
Carole W, it gets more interesting, on Lancs. BMD 1839, there is a Joseph Huddart marrying Mary A Parr, if this is the same Joseph marrying Elizabeth Parr in 1856, i wonder if he married his wifes unmarried sister, or her brothers wife, or just a coincidence ?, i know it can be resolved with certs, but they are not directly in line, and i am still saving for the more direct ones.    Thank You Both Again, Bodger

[brisvegas]

Hi Bodger,

I have a copy of Ellen Draper's marriage cert, her father's name is John Draper, date of marriage 20th of December 1863 at St Simon's, Salford, age 21, residence Broughton Road.
Husband: Robert Lockett (turner), age 21, residence looks like Hodgson Street, father William (engineer).
Witnesses John Rafter and Martha Wild - I believe the two later married.

Robert is my husband's gggrandad.
I noticed on another of your posts you were looking for Martha, Robert John and Charles Lockett - parents William Henry and Elizabeth. Did you manage to find out what Martha's mother's surname was?

I do have a birth cert for Robert John Lockit 21/10/1843, Catherine Court, Manchester - father William Lockit and mother Betsy Lockit - Betsy was illiterate which probably explains the spelling of Lockett.

Regards
Brisvegas

[brisvegas]

Sorry Badger,

forgot to add Betsy was formerly Brown.

[bodger]

If i am reading the above correctly:-
James Draper, married an Elizabeth, and had Ellen, b 1842, James dies ?

Lancs. BMD, 1839, Joseph Huddart, marries, Mary Ann Parr

 1851 cen. Joseph Huddart & Mary A  (Parr ?) & children,
Mary A, dies?

In 1861 cen Joseph & Elizabeth  are together with their respective children

1971 cen, Ellen, b.1842 & Robert Lockett,b.1844, are living with in laws, Joseph & Elizabeth Huddart.

Lancs BMD, 1856, a Joseph Huddard marries Elizabeth Parr, could she be Elizabeth Draper, marrying under her maiden name ?
Any thoughts please,  Bodger