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Re: John Black/Isle of Lismore
« Reply #9 on: Monday 21 July 08 12:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Joy,
Thanks for all the work you have done, I think I have to look at John Blacks wedding to Catherine Donald in 1883 in Glasgow then look at his birth in Lismore in 1860.
At the moment I only have details but I will order the certs.
If the Catherine you found is his mother then she would have to be about 49 when he was born, which I know is pos.
The scots sequence of naming children creating several first children all having the grandfathers name has caught me out in the past that is why I am weary of taking the Blacks you have found as mine at first hand.
He accidentally drowned off the steam Clipper the Cumbrae at  Glasgow Pier in 1898.
I have a copy of the Maritime death cert from the records office but it has almost no info.
Do you think that there would be another death cert provided that may mention his parents, and his pos. burial.
many thanks Billy.
Anderson=Glasgow, Denny,Bathgate,Kilsyth.
=USA  Alameda,New York,Boston,Illinois.
Binning= Bathgate
Miller=Kilsyth
Black, McIntyre=Ise of Lismore
Donald=Enzie
MacDonald=Denny.
Lymburner=Denny
Wright=West Lothian
Greenhorn= Blantyre,LKS.

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Re: John Black/Isle of Lismore
« Reply #10 on: Monday 21 July 08 13:58 BST (UK) »
Hi Billy

I just had a quick look on SP to see if there was another certificate for John's death in 1898, but I couldn't see one. I'll have a better look tomorrow.
If you care to PM me your emails address I'll send you the marriage certificate. I don't think it will tell you anything more unless you didn't know the name of the witnesses. I'll look up his birth [John] and see if I can hunt down death certs for Donald and Catherine.

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Re: John Black/Isle of Lismore
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 22 July 08 01:24 BST (UK) »
Hi,

John Black died 7 Dec 1895.

John Black, Blacksmith - Journeyman, Married to Catherine Donald
Found 4.30pm December Seventh 1895 In the River Clyde at Berth No. 30. Usual residence 7 Houston Street, Glasgow
Male 42 years
Father Donald Black, Labourer (Deceased)
Mother Catherine Black, MS McIntyre (Deceased)
Cause of death: Drowning as cert by John Hardie MD
Informant:  Duncan Black, brother of 46 Park Street, Kinning Park

Billy, if you PM me your email address I can send you a copy of this certificate.

Working backwards from the info in the death cert, in 1861 we have the following:

28 Mill Street, Rothesay, Bute
Donald Black, 55, Head, Labourer, born Lismore, Argyll
Catherine Black, 48, Wife born Lismore
Christina Black, 22, Daur, Dressmaker, born Lismore
Alex Black, 12, Son, Scholar, born Lismore
Duncan Black, 10, Son, Scholar, born Lismore
John Black, 8, Son, Scholar, born Lismore

Debbie
DICKSON, COWAN, ARMSTRONG, MARTIN - Roxburghshire
MITCHELL, MCCORMICK, CAMERON, CLEGG - Argyllshire
HOY - Essex, Australia
GRUNDY - Berkshire, Australia
ROPER - Hampshire, Australia
GILLIES - Aberdeenshire, Australia
BANKHEAD - Ireland?, Australia

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Re: John Black/Isle of Lismore
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 22 July 08 01:39 BST (UK) »
1841 Census

Balevolan, Lismore, Argyll

Anne Black, F, 65, born Argyll
Anne Black, F, 30 born Argyll
Archibald Black, M, 1, born Argyll
Catherine Black, F, 30, born Argyll
Christy Black, F, 3, born Argyll
Donald Black, M, 35, born Argyll
Duncan Black, M, 75, born Argyll, occ:Tenant
Duncan Black, M, 25, born Argyll
Flory Black, F, 50, born Argyll, occ: Ind
Duncan McCaig, M, 10, born Argyll, occ: Hew
Catherine McIntyre, F, 15, born Argyll, occ: Female Servant
DICKSON, COWAN, ARMSTRONG, MARTIN - Roxburghshire
MITCHELL, MCCORMICK, CAMERON, CLEGG - Argyllshire
HOY - Essex, Australia
GRUNDY - Berkshire, Australia
ROPER - Hampshire, Australia
GILLIES - Aberdeenshire, Australia
BANKHEAD - Ireland?, Australia


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Re: John Black/Isle of Lismore
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 22 July 08 01:44 BST (UK) »
1851 Census

Balevolan, Lismore and Appin, Argyll

Donald Black, 49, Head, born Lismore, Farmer of Hills
Cathrin Black, 42, Wife, born Lismore
Christis Black, 13, Daur, born Lismore
Archb Black, 11, Son, born Lismore, Scholar
Dugald Black, 9, Son, born Lismore, Scholar
Mary Black, 6, Daur, born Lismore, Scholar
Alexr Black, 3, Son, born Lismore
Dan Black, 6 months, Son, born Lismore
DICKSON, COWAN, ARMSTRONG, MARTIN - Roxburghshire
MITCHELL, MCCORMICK, CAMERON, CLEGG - Argyllshire
HOY - Essex, Australia
GRUNDY - Berkshire, Australia
ROPER - Hampshire, Australia
GILLIES - Aberdeenshire, Australia
BANKHEAD - Ireland?, Australia

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Re: John Black/Isle of Lismore
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 22 July 08 02:17 BST (UK) »
Well done Walcha72 - I was just typing all that out and you beat me to it

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Re: John Black/Isle of Lismore
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 22 July 08 12:45 BST (UK) »
Debbie and Joy,
 Thank you both so much for the  hard work you both have done on my behalf I will send both of you a PM.
thanks again,Billy.
Anderson=Glasgow, Denny,Bathgate,Kilsyth.
=USA  Alameda,New York,Boston,Illinois.
Binning= Bathgate
Miller=Kilsyth
Black, McIntyre=Ise of Lismore
Donald=Enzie
MacDonald=Denny.
Lymburner=Denny
Wright=West Lothian
Greenhorn= Blantyre,LKS.

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Re: John Black/Isle of Lismore
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 24 July 08 16:23 BST (UK) »
Was in Edinburgh GRO today. Checked Old Parish Records. Apparently, John Black born 14 June 1853 in Laggan, Lismore and Appin district. No birth entry for year 1860. Parents: Donald Black & Catherine McIntyre. Actual wording of birth record is as follows, "John son of Donald Black & Catherine McIntyre Laggan". Short and to the point. Could not find any record of a marriage for John's parents (even allowing for quite a wide year margin). This is what I did find out though.

Donald Black (1801-1891). Parents: Duncan & Ann Black (no maiden name given).

Catherine McIntyre (c. 1810-1887). Parents: Dugald & Katherine.

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Re: John Black/Isle of Lismore
« Reply #17 on: Friday 25 July 08 12:55 BST (UK) »
Hi Doddie,
 Thanks for the look up at the Edinburgh GRO.
I think that may be my John Black you found as he drowned in 1895 aged 42 making his birth 1853 not as I thought 1860.
The other names certainly turn up on the census on previous posts for John Black, thanks again for your work and hopefully it did not disrupt you too much from your own research.
If you need any research done in Melbourne just let me know!, kind regards Billy.
Anderson=Glasgow, Denny,Bathgate,Kilsyth.
=USA  Alameda,New York,Boston,Illinois.
Binning= Bathgate
Miller=Kilsyth
Black, McIntyre=Ise of Lismore
Donald=Enzie
MacDonald=Denny.
Lymburner=Denny
Wright=West Lothian
Greenhorn= Blantyre,LKS.