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wingate famliy
« on: Wednesday 23 July 08 00:48 BST (UK) »
im looking into the wingate famliy tree so if there is any wingates or anyone looking into the tree please help



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Re: wingate famliy
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 03 December 08 18:23 GMT (UK) »
There are loads and loads of WINGATEs - which family are you looking into?

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Re: wingate famliy
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 03 December 08 23:56 GMT (UK) »
wingates from paisley my grandfather was hugh wingate b paisley 1925


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Re: wingate famliy
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 04 December 08 10:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dawnie

Have you got Hugh's birth or marriage certficate? This will help you identify his parents and family if you are looking to trace his line back.

Monica  :)
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Re: wingate famliy
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 04 December 08 14:21 GMT (UK) »
yes i have all that when i come to go more into his fathers line it comes to a stop because his father was born illagitamate (sos for the spelling)
all i have is a name for his mother mary wingate.as for my grandfathers mother i can trace a few but its really hughs father that is bugging me

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Re: wingate famliy
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 10 December 08 18:53 GMT (UK) »
Sorry I can't help - I only know (a little bit) about the WINGATEs in Devon, England. 

If your grandfather was born illegitimate in 1925 then you may have to resign yourself to not knowing who his father was.  If he or his mother didn't tell anyone then presumably no-one would know. 

In England in past times, you could sometimes find out because there were bastardy records but I'm afraid I don't know about Scots law.  I imagine there will be lots of information somewhere about bastardy in Scotland and how it was dealt with.

If your relative was poor, you are more likely to find out - via these bastardy provisions - than if he or she was well off.  If the mother was well off it would more likely be hushed up.  But did your grandfather's mother keep him with her in her family?  In the families I am interested in there are two or threee examples of women with illegitimate children keeping the child with them in the family home and then marrying when the child was aged one or two.  The child was then 'adopted' into the new family and usually took on the surname of the stepfather. 

Of course, we don't know whether that child may have actually been the biological child of the man the mother later married - although in one case I am fairly sure he wasn't because of the different locations of the mother and the stepfather at the time of his birth.  Did Mary marry again later?

Again, I only know about England, but another thing you might try here in England is to look up the divorce court records to see if anyone cited Mary as a co-respondent in a divorce case.  BUT AGAIN I don't know if this works in Scots law.

Does Hugh have a middle name?  Again, in Devon at least, the  middle name given to an illegitimate child was often the putative father's surname.

Good luck!

Sandra

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Re: wingate famliy
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 13:18 GMT (UK) »
You will find a lot of Scottish Wingates in the Kilmadock Parish of Stirlingshire ( near Gargunnock ) . Many of the Wingates moved west ( including the antecedants of Orde Wingate )and became well known in commercial circles in Glasgow in the 19th century .
Lamont Nicol Plowman Cormack Begg Leith Bremner Sharp Cram Barr McFarlane Mayall Hutcheson Hutchison