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"The Victory" public house, Newmarket
« on: Friday 25 July 08 12:45 BST (UK) »
I wonder if anyone with local history knowledge would be able to identify where the 'Victory' pub in Newmarket might have been located.  I have a relative who was the proprietor in the 1871 census and the location is given as Mill Hill.

 She was born Frederica Harrietta Utton but by 1871 she was twice widowed at only 25 years of age. She would have inherited the pub from her first husband William S Hills.  By 1871  she was Harriet Edwards, widowed again.  I have not been able to track any more records of her or her  son Henry Arthur Edwards (born 1870).

I believe she held onto the pub into the 1920's and  that perhaps it was located in the area affected by bomb damage in WW2.

Anne
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Re: "The Victory" public house, Newmarket
« Reply #1 on: Friday 25 July 08 20:59 BST (UK) »
Hi Anne

Mill Hill in Newmarket runs into Exning Road, and if I remember correctly a lot of that area has been modernised.

there are some photo's of Newmarket on this website, but didnt look to see if Mill Hill was amongst them

http://www.francisfrith.com/

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Re: "The Victory" public house, Newmarket
« Reply #2 on: Friday 25 July 08 22:06 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that link Ricky, a great resource!

Nothing on Mill Hill though.... :(  but some nice old views of St Mary's church  used by the family.

I shall enjoy browsing for other places of interest and reading the memories posted by people.

Thanks again.
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Re: "The Victory" public house, Newmarket
« Reply #3 on: Monday 28 July 08 14:21 BST (UK) »
Anne

You could try the Newmarket Local History Society - they appear to be very helpful with this kind of query.

http://www.wood-ditton.org.uk/newmarketlhs.htm

Jo

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Re: "The Victory" public house, Newmarket
« Reply #4 on: Monday 28 July 08 14:45 BST (UK) »
Directory of Suffolk 1891/2

Smith John, vict, The Victory, Mill Hill, And bricklayer and builder, Exning Rod.

So she didn't have the pub then.

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Re: "The Victory" public house, Newmarket
« Reply #5 on: Monday 28 July 08 16:00 BST (UK) »
... which reminds me: you could also try the Suffolk board...

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Re: "The Victory" public house, Newmarket
« Reply #6 on: Monday 28 July 08 17:15 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that Rog.

 Perhaps Mr Smith was the latest husband - after all she would have been a good catch! Maybe she traded up or maybe she was only the proprietor as an employee of her first husband's family.  I am relying on my 92 year old father's recollection that she had a pub so that would be 1920's when he knew her.  I do not know when she died and have tried looking for a further marriage in vain and no luck in later censuses.   I will see if I can find Mr Smith the census in later years. It is curious to see the pub disappear as the names seem to go on.

Yes thanks too Jo for link to local history group... I  will try that and see where I get.

Indeed Newmarket is confusing as the county boundary seems to bisect the town and two distinct parishes too, All Saints and St Mary's.

Appreciate help and interest

Anne
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Re: "The Victory" public house, Newmarket
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 16 August 08 08:30 BST (UK) »
The Victory was just off the corner of St Mary's Square, diagonally opposite the current newsagents which used to be Hogg's. It was demolished in the 1960's to make way for the current town houses on two sides of the Square. My family, including myself, had the nearest 'opposition' the Five Bells' for 60 years. The Victory was on quite a steep alley leading to the maze of small houses in Mill Hill. Somewhere I do have a photo of the pub as demolition was starting. Until then it was almost invisible due to the cottages surrounding the Square. At the same time another hostelry  "The Wheatsheaf" was demolished just around the corner in Regent's Street (now part of Rowley Drive

http://www.multimap.com/maps/?qs=cb8+0hz&countryCode=GB#map=52.24492,0.40329|18|32&loc=GB:52.24492:0.40329:16|cb8%200hz|CB8%200HZ

The Victory was just above the 'e' in Rowley Drive on this aerial shot

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Re: "The Victory" public house, Newmarket
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 16 August 08 11:59 BST (UK) »
Great information! Thanks so much for that 'agooner'.

I did get some useful info back from local history society and thanks also to person who sent link to that.....

"Mill Hill was the old rabbit warren part of Newmarket not far from St Mary's Church that was demolished when the Icewell Hill Flats were built....... The County boundary up to about 1895 was the High Street, which divided the town into two halves. After that the railway line became the boundary.
 
Yes the old Mill Hill complex was made up of  very close knit streets and terrace cottages and was very run down by the mid 20th c."

A distant relative had photographed the 5 Bells.....

Topic closed!

Anne



 
Wiffen, Utton, Clark, Spires,  Frisby, Raybould, Charlton, Green, (England)
Flood,  Daly, Doran, Mc Kercher, Gardiner, (Ireland/England)
Reid, Burns  (Ireland)
McGourty, Daly (Ireland/America)