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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 12 August 08 18:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Jeannie! Thanks wonderful.

You are right! It's terribly addictive! It's like the most dangerous drug!  Thanks to the site you gave me at Lancashire BMD I've been able to discover many interesting things, like my grandmother's Rachel's grandmother was not the Jane from Ireland shown as "mother" on the census -- but an unfortunate Rachael Bland (of course also a Rachel) who died at age 31 leaving five young children, the youngest not yet 1 year old!  The marriage records then tell me the father was remarried to the  Jane of the census records at the end of that  same year! (I don't blame him with all those children, poor guy) --- it's amazing how much one can read into mere numbers.  I love how little tiny clues like a grandchild's middle name matching a maiden name help fit the pieces of the puzzle together. I may need to seek help for addiction.

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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 12 August 08 19:36 BST (UK) »
Jeanie,

On the 1841 census for Hawarden, I suppose Richard b. 1801 and Hannah Higginson (age 40 on the census) could be the parents of the Richard (age 20) showing up at Hopes Place, as living with Ann Higginson (60). Ann could be the grandmother .  What I'm having trouble puzzling through, is  that that Hannah (née Mitchel) ought to be the daughter of the earlier owner of Hopes Place, as she is shown as originally from Hopes Place, whereas both her husband Richard (b. 1801) and Ann living there in 1841 are shown to be from "Eccleston".  (Did that make any sense?)

I'm curious about the tradition of naming the first daughter Mary, and the second daughter Maria!  I've seen this in other places on my tree.

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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 16 August 08 12:32 BST (UK) »
Hello Paula......

I received the Parish Registers this morning.

The only Higginson's mentioned, were in the Baptisms 1821-1830

William Higginson , born March 2nd 1823, baptised March 28th 1823.
Son of RICHARD HIGGINSON, farmer, and Hannah Mitchell.......

There were no marriages, and no burials 1811-1820.

I am not really sure where to go from here. You could post a enquiry, on the Cheshire board, Richard 1819, may have been baptised at Eccleston. I feel pretty certain, that Richard and Hannah are his parents, and that Ann is his grandmother.....just how to prove it !!

I will have another "dig", and see what I can come up with.

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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 16 August 08 16:21 BST (UK) »
Well, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised, you are right I will try Eccleston. Thank you so much for looking!

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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #13 on: Monday 18 August 08 04:01 BST (UK) »
Hi. I hope you don't mind me adding a message. But my ancestors were also from Hope's Place, Bretton. A Thomas Bostock. married a Martha Jones in 1815 at Hawarden. it has Thomas as born in Hope's Place. one census says 1793 and another says 1795. Martha born abt 1800 Saltney. I have looked at the Samuel Jones and wondered if he could be Martha's brother. I was told Hope's Place was a group of 5 small holdings. But don't know how true it is.  It would be interesting to find out if there is any link with the Jones's. Regards Pam

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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #14 on: Monday 18 August 08 04:40 BST (UK) »
Yes, I saw there were some Bostocks in the mix -- I had originally thought Hopes Place was one farm because it appears as such on the 1841 census, but I guess it's more than that, isn't it. Well, I'm still trying to solve the mystery of how my ancestor (Richard Higginson) and his daughter Elizabeth, said to be born in Hope's Place fits into the picture, and who is Anne Higginson, mother or grandmother or...

I'm suspecting there was a bit of intermarriage back and forth with the Joneses, etc.

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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #15 on: Monday 18 August 08 14:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Pam and Paula.......

I am pretty certain, that Martha Bostock nee Jones, and Samuel Jones, were brother and sister.........

Martha Jones, baptised at Hawarden , January 8th 1800
Father Thomas Jones, Farmer.Mother Cath Williams. abode Aston

Samuel Jones , baptised at Hawarden , January 10th 1804
Father Thomas Jones, Farmer . Mother Cath Williams , abode Saltney

There are other children. Would you like the details ?

Going back to the Bostocks.

Thomas Bostock, baptised at Hawarden July 2nd 1796
Father William Bostock, Collier. Mother Mary Beavan , abode Pentrobin.

I know that you have the births of three of Thomas and Martha's children, but I now have later Parish Registers, so here goes..........

Samuel, son of Thomas and Martha Bostock , Carter of Hopes Place.
Born October 8th 1821, baptised November 4th

Anne , daughter of Thomas and Martha Bostock ,Small farmer of Hopes Place
Born June 13th 1823 , baptised September 5th

Thomas , son of Thomas and Martha Bostock, Farmer of Bretton
Born April 9th 1827 , baptised August 26th

Martha , daughter of Thomas and Marth Bostock, Farmer of Bretton
Born May 8th 1829 , baptised May 31st.

Their son Thomas, who was born April 1820, was buried August 29th 1820

I have a old map of the area, I will see if I can find "Hopes Place" and see how may buildings were on it.............

Will post seperately re a bit more onformation on Higginson's in the area.

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JeannieR

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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #16 on: Monday 18 August 08 15:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Paula........

The only other Higginsons in the area were........

Mary , daughter of William Higginson of Hawarden.
Baptised May 14th 1741

Thomas , son of William Higginson, Glazier of Hawarden
Baptised January 13th 1742

Ann , daughter of William Higginson of Hawarden
Baptised February 3rd 1743

Mary Higginson ,of Hawarden , buried April 21st 1775 (no indication as to who she was )

I do not know if it is of any significance, but I found a marriage which took place at Oswestry, Shropshire, between ............

RICHARD HIGGINSON, and ANN OLIVER November 9th 1796........

Richard Higginson baptised June 25th 1772 at Oswestry

ANN OLIVER , baptised  January 11th 1777 at Oswestry.

This date fits in with the birth of Ann Higginson , farmer with Richard Higginson age 20 on the 1841 census........Oswestry is not far away, perhaps she followed her daughter after she was widowed ?

Just a thought !!

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Jeannie
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Re: Higginsons of Hopes Place, Bretton, Hawarden
« Reply #17 on: Monday 18 August 08 16:58 BST (UK) »
Oh this is getting rich! Thank you Jeannie. I'm looking forward to what you learn from the map. I think the pieces of the puzzle are coming together. I wonder what brought Ann Higginson to Hopes Place, and I wonder what brought Richard Higginson and Mary Price to Hopes Place to have their daughter Elizabeth in 1843. I notice on the 1841 census there are also Prices living nearbye (but its such a common name).

Is there a birth record for the Richard Higginson married to Hanna Mitchel? I wonder if Anne Oliver is his mother. Owestry... hmmm. I'll have a look on a map and see how close that is to Eccleston.