Arthur Dawe and Ann Phillips COMPLETE

[Mk2_Zephyr]

All ok,

Shout outs are fine,

just our eager searchers will start working on the family STRAIGHT AWAY,  and its always good to have any extra info.

 

from the second link looks like Arthur was still here in 1845, is this the last noted sighting ?

[TraceyNZ]

yes that is the last that is known of Arthur in New Zealand. 

I  just searched through a few hits in the paperspast site  but nothing there either.

I just had a look at Emma's marriage certificate, she was 17 and her mother gave consent for her to marry. That was 1844.

I think this will just be one of those little mysteries. I don't think there is much more I can do except hope that the other children married, had families,  and that their descendants gets family tree fever and realise they have a NZ connection.

I would like to add one more family thread.. is the done thing to start a new thread or should I stick to this one? a different surname and different part of my tree... its the one family in my tree that has been difficult to find information on

thank you 

[Mk2_Zephyr]

New thread, 

[lil growler]

Hi Tracey

This is what I found at the library, in the Biography's. Be aware the dates may need to be checked for accuracy as the information ( dates may be inconsistent) was submitted to the library by 2 separate people. I may also have doubled up on the information as well.

re Ann Cox:John Phillips a seaman died between 1832 and 1840. The Phillips family came from Kew in Cornwall.

Phillips children:

Richard Phillips bought an acre of land in NP but it's thought he went to Ballarat Goldfields in Australia about 1851.

John is said to have died of exposure while Flounder fishing near Havelock in the South Island.

Emma m Edward Tucker-11 children
Mary m George Humphries, at least 6 children
Jane b 1821 1 1884 m James Climo - 12 children
Ann 1823 - 1867
Richard 1825 - ?
Emma 1827 1 1908
John 1830 - 1900
Mary 1832 - 1911

It mentioned John Johus? James on the William Bryant that married Ann.

John John James
B c 1814 in Stoke England
d 14 6 1898 New Plymouth9 This will be on the same site I gave you for Ann James's cemetery record.
buried 17 6 1898. Henui Cem
he was a farmer

Ann James ( nee Phillips )
b c1823
m 14 1 18?1 ( will recheck the year again )
d 2 5 1867 Poverty Flats

The Children of John and Ann

1 Fredrick Robert b 28 6 1852 died 22 4 1938 ( other info says 28 4 1934 ) Bushman and Grocer
m 21 10 1874 Julia Fox

2 Louisa Jane ( 1847- ? ) m ( 1 ) Emanuel Newell ( by the reverend John Whitely ) 9 12 1866. m ( 2 ) a Mr Jury. c or b date for Lousia 16 7 1847 NP, d 1925

3 Thomas b c1858 NP, d 5 9 1937 NP , m 15 11 1904 to Mary Jane Crozier.

4 ? b c1860

5 Richard William b 1863, d 1866/67 aged 3 and 1/2

6 John b? d aged 8 months

7 Arthur b? d aged 4 months

Mrs John James and 6 children were evacuatedto Nelson in 1860 ( land Wars )  On 31 March 1863 she was recorded as residing in Nelson with 7 children. Still on emergency rations.

New Plymouth Harbour Board Electoral Role

John James: Boatman owning Property in the Borough of NP valued at 20 pounds and therefore entitled to one vote.

John James: Labourer owning property in the boroughof NP, the Waitara and Omata to the value of 33 pounds, five shillings and therefore entitled to one vote.

John Jonas James
c 23 12 1844 NP( one of the children John )

John Phillips James
c 21 12 1846? NP

Mary Jane Crozier : b ca 1879, d 19 6 1954 NP
Emmanuell Newell b? d?
James Jury b 1856, d 1939
Marion Steveson b ca 1911, d 21 5 1966

This maybe child number 4 John John James b or c 3 6 1898 NP, d 30 8 1960, m Marion Stevenson.

I'll post the rest of the information soon

Regards

lil

[TraceyNZ]

wow lil..   Thank you!!

I have to take my son to the local museum so he can finish his homework..  I will check everything when I get back

thank you, this is wonderful.

[lil growler]

Hi Tracey

Understand that. I need to take my son and friend out soon to burn off some energy.

From the index cards. ( I looked at these first but since I now have more names I'll recheck them when I go back. I'll also photocopy the biography info and news articles.

From the Index Cards: These may or maynot be yours.

Nothing on Ann Phillips ( Cox ) or the Dawe name. I can ring St Mary's , if they had any children in New Plymouth, the information might be there.

Phillips ? Company 9, Date Report Sick 15 July 1865, In Hospital Stoney River, Source: in NZ Defense Dept Militia and Volunteers Sick Report.

TH = Taranaki Herald

Phillips: Birth of son 1 N 1883 TH 2 Nov 1883

Phillips: Birth Notice ( son ) TH 11 S 1935

Phillips John: Rank, Private, Remark 1 Apr - 23 May 1861, 50 days, 53 days onshore. 3 days pay stopped - discharged 23 May, Source in NZ Defense Dept Militia an Volunteers Quarterly Pay - List Apr - June 1861.

Hillips A: Marriage of son James to Gertrude Ann Vercoe 23 Je 1880, TH 6 Jl 1880.


Phillips John , Omata/Sawyer 1858- 59 Jurors List, TH 20 Feb 1858 and 1860-61, Th 19 Feb 1860.

James John: Avenue Road, Labourer, 1855 Jurors List, TH 14 Feb 1885 suppl, and 1856-57, TH 15 Mar 1856, also 1858-59, TH 20 Feb 1850.

James John New Plymouth, Boatman 1860-61 Jurors List, TH 18 Feb 1860.

James John New Plymouth Labourer 1860-61 Jurors List, TH 18 Feb 1860.

James John: Rank Private, Remarks: Period ending 30 June 1861-91 days, Boat. Source: in NZ Defense Dept Militia and volunteers Taranaki Quarterly Pay List Apr-June 1861.

James John: Death of 4th son Henery Western aged 83, Nov 16 1920, TH Nov 16 1920.

James John: Death of wife Emma, Sept 10 1935 aged 84, TH Oct 18 1935.

I'll mention here from the Biographies also it says that Ann Phillips and John James were married 14 1 1841

regards

lil

PS more to come.

[TraceyNZ]

incredible,, thank you SOooo much.

I hardly had any of this information.

I'm flat out on the paperspart website right now (while my husband is outside working hard in the garden.. but I cant help myself)


I just found the first birth notice in the T Herald.. its pretty general, just the wife of Mr Phillips.. but one day I might be able to place that clipping with the family.

I found the Phillips-Vercoe marriage there too.. dont know yet if its one of mine but ironically the name Vercoe pops up twice in another parts of the same tree.

I will keep chipping away at that.. but wanted to tell you how grateful I am, its amazing to find all this after 4-5 years of researching and not having a clue about it!

since two of the younger boys died in NZ it seems even more likely that Ann and Arthur might have stayed.  I never took note of any  Daw or Dawe fiche, which their names might have been registered as at death.. I will need to look into that I think.

[lil growler]

Hi Tracey

I just finished typing out all this info and my tab closed before I could post it  grrrrrrrr

Julia Fox's parents are Benjamin and Fanny Fox

Children for Fred Robert James and wife Julia are

1 Robert d aged 20 ?

2 Fanny b 16 8 1884 NP d 19 10 1967 m William Green

3 Fred Alonzo c 16 2 1879 never married

4 Alec ( Alex ) Turnick c 11 7 1877 NP

5 Doris ( Julia Doris ) b ca 1891 NP d 23 10 194? m George Green on 30 3 1910

6 Leslie- killed in Action WW1

7 Annie married Joe Utiger

8 Edward b 25 6 1895 m Maisie Doig in 1920

9 John b 3 6 1898 m Marion Stevens

10 William ( George? ) b 23 2 1876NP d 30 10 1946 m Mrs Smith( Mary Priscilla )

11 Arthur b 4 1 1889 d 29 1 1959 Wanganui m 27 2 1918 in Wanganui Amy Betts ( from Auckland )


Fred William Green b 18 8 1872 Biscester Oxford England d 14 3 1954 Stratford

George Green b ca 1875 d 20 5 1937 NP

Many of the names I gave are on here http://www.newplymouthnz.com/AtoZOfCouncilServices/CemeteriesAndCrematorium/CemeterySearch.htm

Stratford Cemetery Link http://www.stdc.co.nz/index.php?page=home.php

The Johus I gave for John James name eg William Bryan is Probably John instead of Johus

Regards

lil

I will update this post soon, I have some NZSG index info.

NZSG Index

Theres a marriage for an Emmanuel Newell in Patea 18 May 1888 ( remarriage or child maybe )

James Climo was also on the Willaim Bryan

A child for James Climo and  Jane b 16 Jul 1857 NP.

Possible birth for James Climo  Bodmin Con England c 1822

Humpries George 1840-1850 Folio 0005 to Phillips . Comments: Spouse Ver Pre 1855 Marriage

Fanny Ruth m Willaim Greeen Folio 1900 in 1903

Amy Beatrice to James in 1918 folio 1248


Child for Ann and John James birth 11 Dec 1849NP

A John James is mentioned in Early Settlers ( Discoveries Vistitor Traders Whalers and Early Residence. PS1

A Fredrick James b 1846

Julia Fox's birth is correct.

Fred and Julia m folio 2112

Emmauel and Louisa m Folio 0581

Maisie Elizabeth Doig m Edward James in 1920, folio 07205

There is a Newell E Source: Discharged in NZ Soliders of the Imperial Foot Reg't discharged in NZ 1840- 1870 H and L Hughes, p33

This is only the NZSG Index's  that I have looked for.

Sorry the information is a bit scattered. I will copy the biographies and send to you within the next two weeks when i revisit the library.


That's it for now

[TraceyNZ]

thanks again lil growler

I just searched paperspast and found:

a death notice in the TH for Emanuel Newell, died in Inglewood on 14 Jan 1884, aged 46 .. this could be his father 

why are certificates so darned expensive? I would have liked to verify their marraige and found out but I have so many others to order first that are more directly related 

I have added all your information to my FTM program and cant thank you enough for doing this for me. 

The icing on the cake would be to hear from the people who shared that information... perhaps one day I will.