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Marais/Marris family of Norwich, England
« on: Sunday 31 August 08 05:45 BST (UK) »
Frank Marais, was a tailor in Norwich but I can find no trace of him prior to 1901 Census when he is listed as Frank Marris. Married Alice Morgan in 1894 under name Marais and claimed to have been born in Southhampton in 1862. I'm guessing he changed his name. Have tried alternative sounding surnames but nothing. Any suggestions welcome.
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Re: Marais/Marris family of Norwich, England
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 31 August 08 07:33 BST (UK) »
HI


Have you considered buying the marrige cert to see 'if' there is a fathers name mentioned?

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Re: Marais/Marris family of Norwich, England
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 31 August 08 17:59 BST (UK) »
Hi, marriage cert:

Frank Marais  sept Q 1894  norwich 4b / 200

There does seem to be another Frank Marais in Norwich - middle initial H.

also a Frank Morris b 1862 in Portsmouth.

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Re: Marais/Marris family of Norwich, England
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 31 August 08 18:04 BST (UK) »
free bmd   Frank henry marais was born sept Q 1895  Norwich 4b / 165

so very likely your Franks son.
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Re: Marais/Marris family of Norwich, England
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 31 August 08 18:11 BST (UK) »
hows this?

Freecen  1891 census:

Frank E morris  H m 27 Skilled labourer    b. portsmouth
Alice M Morris   w     25  Dressmaker              ""
Frank h morris            9                                   ""
Percy A  Morris            3                                   ""
Rose A morris              2                                  ""

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Re: Marais/Marris family of Norwich, England
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 31 August 08 18:13 BST (UK) »
sorry forgot that was in portsea island  RG 12/853  143 / 28 / 170

can see on Freecen - click on alt spellings.
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Re: Marais/Marris family of Norwich, England
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 31 August 08 21:58 BST (UK) »
Since 'Tailor' was a skilled profession he had to have been a tailor in 1891.  Found this:

1891 Census - 7 Sedan Street, St. Peter, Ipswich, Suffolk

Frank Marria     Boarder   Single    30    Tailor              b. Jersey
(Ref.RG12 - 1467 - 123 - 21).

The name Marais appears on Channel Island Census' and origin seems to be France.

Cannot find anything in 1881 (here or on Channel Islands) but did find in 1871:

1871 Census - 35 Mary Bandains, St. Helier, Jersey.

Margaret Maris     Head    Wid.    40       Nurse         b. Jersey
Francis Maris         Son                 12       App. Tailor  b. Jersey

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Re: Marais/Marris family of Norwich, England
« Reply #7 on: Monday 01 September 08 06:10 BST (UK) »
HI

Following on the lines that he may not have been born in Southampton there is thei man in the 1881 census - I haven't followed him in the later census but the occupation does fit and the spelling is within the range that you found

1881 Census
Living inSt Clement, Jersey


Francis Marais 22 Sailor bn Grouville, Jersey
Elizabeth Marais 21 St Clement Jersey


Now his occupation does say Sailor but could it be a mistranscription or simply misheard

REF RG11 5617 Folio 120 Page 16


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Re: Marais/Marris family of Norwich, England
« Reply #8 on: Monday 01 September 08 06:34 BST (UK) »
HI

Does anyone else think that the occupation of Frank Marris is SAILOR in the 1901?


Looking at the other letter of some of the other occupations I'm led to believe it should read SAILOR for the 1901 finding of Frank and Alice Marris.


Just to follow on my earlier posting of him being married to an Eliza* she is found in the 1891 still married but at home with her parents. Francis could easily be at see which is why he is unfoudn in the 1891 at least.

here's that REF
RG12 4697 Folio 160 Page 3


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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Blakeley in Batley West Yorks
Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire
Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks
Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks
Moss in Morley and Leeds
Parker in Morley W Yorks
Parker in Hull E Yorks
Tilburns in Morley W Yorks